Nfl opi

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I disagree. Loss of possession is way too much of a penalty.

When you interfere with the other team's player's opp'ty to catch the ball -- whether they were the passing team or you were -- why shouldn't the penalty be at least as if the fouled player had caught the ball there?

The justification at lower levels for an enforcement from the previous spot is that the players don't catch as well, so the rules don't presume the fouled player would've caught the ball.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

When you interfere with the other team's player's opp'ty to catch the ball -- whether they were the passing team or you were -- why shouldn't the penalty be at least as if the fouled player had caught the ball there?

The justification at lower levels for an enforcement from the previous spot is that the players don't catch as well, so the rules don't presume the fouled player would've caught the ball.

The offence has the advantage of knowing the play. That is their advantage and it should remain.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

The offence has the advantage of knowing the play. That is their advantage and it should remain.

I don't understand what you mean. Because they know the play, shouldn't they be even more liable in some way for PI? How does the advantage of knowing the play mitigate their player's responsibility to not interfere with an opponent's attempt at a catch? A defender might have his back to the ball and not know a pass is on the way.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

I don't understand what you mean. Because they know the play, shouldn't they be even more liable in some way for PI? How does the advantage of knowing the play mitigate their player's responsibility to not interfere with an opponent's attempt at a catch? A defender might have his back to the ball and not know a pass is on the way.

The NFL doesn't have a LOD for OPI. From what I suspect, neither does the NCAA. And neither do all codes of Canadian football. Maybe, just maybe, the Fed is the odd man out.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

The NFL doesn't have a LOD for OPI. From what I suspect, neither does the NCAA. And neither do all codes of Canadian football. Maybe, just maybe, the Fed is the odd man out.

They are, but that doesn't make them wrong. NCAA got rid of the LOD for OPI in the 1980s IIRC. NFL I don't remember -- might've gotten rid of it about 15 yrs. earlier or maybe went straight from loss of ball to the distance penalty with no LOD. I believe it was loss of ball in Canadian football until some time in the 1960s, as with other loose ball interference.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

They are, but that doesn't make them wrong. NCAA got rid of the LOD for OPI in the 1980s IIRC. NFL I don't remember -- might've gotten rid of it about 15 yrs. earlier or maybe went straight from loss of ball to the distance penalty with no LOD. I believe it was loss of ball in Canadian football until some time in the 1960s, as with other loose ball interference.

So for 50+ years, the Fed hasn't believed that removing the LOD is a good thing. Good for them for sticking to their guns!

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

So for 50+ years, the Fed hasn't believed that removing the LOD is a good thing. Good for them for sticking to their guns!

Meanwhile NCAA has gone back & forth on the enforcement spot against the defense. I don't remember what it was at first, but it was either, or soon became, from the previous spot. Then it was changed to spot of the foul. Then back to previous spot. Fed inherited the penalty from the first time it was previous spot, and kept it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

So for 50+ years, the Fed hasn't believed that removing the LOD is a good thing. Good for them for sticking to their guns!

It is a different game. I honestly hope you are not using what Canada does as any gauge for what goes on in the US? Considering that there are a few hundred rules differences already, not seeing the big deal if they keep their rules unique. NCAA and the NFL has an entertainment value to them that the NF games are not supposed to have. If the NF changed the rule I would think it was a mistake, but then again it is not that big of a deal.

Peace