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MD Longhorn Mon Sep 17, 2012 08:57am
Nfl opi
 
What's the NFL penalty for OPI - just 5 yards? No LOD?

Welpe Mon Sep 17, 2012 09:18am
10 yards, no LOD.

MD Longhorn Mon Sep 17, 2012 09:21am
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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 854746)
10 yards, no LOD.
I think they only marked off 5 last night on the Lions during the final drive.

Welpe Mon Sep 17, 2012 09:50am
They were having some issues with PI last night...

APG Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:59am
According to the official play-by-play, the ball was at the 32 prior to the penalty...then the ball was snapped on the 42 after the OPI penalty.

tjones1 Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:32am
It should be a loss of down... but that's another topic. ;)

Robert Goodman Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:53pm
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Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 854773)
It should be a loss of down... but that's another topic. ;)
Hell, it should be loss of ball. And at one time, it was.

JugglingReferee Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:59pm
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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 854801)
Hell, it should be loss of ball. And at one time, it was.
I disagree. Loss of possession is way too much of a penalty.

Welpe Mon Sep 17, 2012 01:22pm
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Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 854773)
It should be a loss of down... but that's another topic. ;)
No...Fed can keep that one for themselves. :)

Robert Goodman Mon Sep 17, 2012 01:33pm
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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 854803)
I disagree. Loss of possession is way too much of a penalty.
When you interfere with the other team's player's opp'ty to catch the ball -- whether they were the passing team or you were -- why shouldn't the penalty be at least as if the fouled player had caught the ball there?

The justification at lower levels for an enforcement from the previous spot is that the players don't catch as well, so the rules don't presume the fouled player would've caught the ball.

JugglingReferee Mon Sep 17, 2012 01:50pm
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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 854827)
When you interfere with the other team's player's opp'ty to catch the ball -- whether they were the passing team or you were -- why shouldn't the penalty be at least as if the fouled player had caught the ball there?

The justification at lower levels for an enforcement from the previous spot is that the players don't catch as well, so the rules don't presume the fouled player would've caught the ball.
The offence has the advantage of knowing the play. That is their advantage and it should remain.

APG Mon Sep 17, 2012 02:00pm
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Originally Posted by welpe (Post 854823)
no...fed can keep that one for themselves. :)
+1

Rich Mon Sep 17, 2012 02:14pm
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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 854839)
+1
I agree. If I was king, the first thing I'd remove from NFHS rules is the LOD on OPI. Well, it would be in the Top 10 anyway.

Robert Goodman Tue Sep 18, 2012 08:08am
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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 854835)
The offence has the advantage of knowing the play. That is their advantage and it should remain.
I don't understand what you mean. Because they know the play, shouldn't they be even more liable in some way for PI? How does the advantage of knowing the play mitigate their player's responsibility to not interfere with an opponent's attempt at a catch? A defender might have his back to the ball and not know a pass is on the way.

JugglingReferee Tue Sep 18, 2012 08:47am
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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 854967)
I don't understand what you mean. Because they know the play, shouldn't they be even more liable in some way for PI? How does the advantage of knowing the play mitigate their player's responsibility to not interfere with an opponent's attempt at a catch? A defender might have his back to the ball and not know a pass is on the way.
The NFL doesn't have a LOD for OPI. From what I suspect, neither does the NCAA. And neither do all codes of Canadian football. Maybe, just maybe, the Fed is the odd man out.


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