Trick extra point

[voiceoflg]

Like this from 1999?

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[bkdow]

We are in NFHS rules

[maven]

The holder may start on his knee during a try: this trickery is needless. He must rise from his knee to pass (forward or backward), run, or hand the ball off. Starting with his knee 1 inch off the ground will not excuse him from needing to rise before running or passing.

If he does not rise, I will probably rule the ball dead according to 4-2-2a Exception.

[HLin NC]

The holder may start on his knee during a try: this trickery is needless. He must rise from his knee to pass (forward or backward), run, or hand the ball off. Starting with his knee 1 inch off the ground will not excuse him from needing to rise before running or passing.

Then you are making up your own rule. Some deception is a part of football- no different than a fake handoff, pump fake, fake spike, faking a blitz.

[bkdow]

After research, the casebook clearly defines this as legal if he rises up from the ground.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by bkdow

After research, the casebook clearly defines this as legal if he rises up from the ground.

It's legal whether he rises or not.

He is not required to put his knee on the ground. If his knee is off the ground, he can legally hand the ball off or pass it without standing.

The wrong ball play is deceiving the defense into believing there's a problem and the ball isn't going to be snapped. That's why it's illegal. This play is a legal deception AFTER the ball is snapped. The two plays are not the same at all.

[bkdow]

So, you would allow the holder to throw a pass with his knee on the ground? At the time he has his knee on the ground and does something besides be a holder, I'm killing the play and ruling him down.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by voiceoflg

Like this from 1999?

Link

Perfectly fine in NCAA rules.