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Old Wed Dec 07, 2011, 02:44pm
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This happened at least 5 times in OHSAA Finals!

7.5.2 SITUATION C: Quarterback A1 drops back to pass and while under a good
defensive rush, he throws the ball forward: (a) at the feet of two onrushing defensive
linemen; or (b) 15 yards behind A3 who has run a deep post pattern; or (c)
5 to 10 feet over the head of eligible A3 who lined up near a sideline.
RULING:
Illegal forward pass in (a). In (b) and (c), the referee will have to judge whether
the pass was intentionally thrown incomplete or whether A1 was simply unable
to throw the ball close to A3. COMMENT: Some factors to look for in making an
intentional-grounding decision are absence of eligible offensive receivers in the
area and the “dumping” to avoid loss of distance. The ability and skill of the passer
and the pressure of the defense are also factors to consider. (7-5-2d)

It was not called once!
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Old Wed Dec 07, 2011, 02:49pm
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Not surprised... the rule says, "In (b) and (c), the referee will have to judge whether the pass was intentionally thrown incomplete or whether A1 was simply unable to throw the ball close to A3."

In most of these cases, the ruling is going to be that he was simply unable (perhaps he was covered too well).
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Old Wed Dec 07, 2011, 03:12pm
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OK what is your point? Obviously you did not read the entire ruling.

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Old Wed Dec 07, 2011, 04:36pm
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referee will have to judge
Guess they judged not.
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Old Wed Dec 07, 2011, 05:28pm
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Are you sure it was at least five times? Could it have been less than five? Are you sure you got them all counted? It's imperative that we know the exact number in order to give you our best guess as to what the guys on the field saw and why they ruled like they did.
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Old Wed Dec 07, 2011, 05:48pm
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It was not called once!
Just in case you missed it.

In (b) and (c), the referee will have to judge whether the pass was intentionally thrown incomplete or whether A1 was simply unable to throw the ball close to A3.

It's a judgment call. And guess what? Your judgment don't mean dick.
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Old Wed Dec 07, 2011, 05:53pm
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Was the QB out of the tackle box?

I was at a game where the back judge threw the flag for intentional gounding. Really. He missed the spot of the foul by about 20 yards.
There was no doubt about the intent as the ball hit about lane 8 of the track surrounding the field.
When I was talking to the opposite wing official later, he said the coach (whose QB threw the ball) didn't have a problem with the call. It was that obvious. Except to maybe the R.
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Old Wed Dec 07, 2011, 06:45pm
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Anyone that watched all six final games like I did knows what I am talking about.
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Old Thu Dec 08, 2011, 08:02am
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the referee will have to judge whether
the pass was intentionally thrown incomplete or whether A1 was simply unable
to throw the ball close to A3.



Pretty easy to tell when a kid is dumping the ball 25 yards out of bounds to prevent a sack. I wish they would just take IG out of the NFHS rules altogether.
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Old Thu Dec 08, 2011, 08:46am
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Pretty easy to tell when a kid is dumping the ball 25 yards out of bounds to prevent a sack. I wish they would just take IG out of the NFHS rules altogether.
Knowing that both stadiums have very little room between the sideline and the stands, dumping the ball 25 yards out of bounds would put the ball at least 10 rows deep into the seats.

Didn't happen..... Go away.....
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Old Thu Dec 08, 2011, 01:23pm
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Oh, it happened!
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Old Thu Dec 08, 2011, 02:07pm
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the referee will have to judge whether
the pass was intentionally thrown incomplete or whether A1 was simply unable
to throw the ball close to A3.



Pretty easy to tell when a kid is dumping the ball 25 yards out of bounds to prevent a sack. I wish they would just take IG out of the NFHS rules altogether.
Did it ever occur to you that maybe officials view this rule differently than you do? You say it is obvious and it is not called, but for some reason officials do not agree with you on this when they are on the field. That is telling if you ask me.

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the referee will have to judge whether
the pass was intentionally thrown incomplete or whether A1 was simply unable
to throw the ball close to A3.
I wish they would just take IG out of the NFHS rules altogether.
Not that I'm in a state that uses NFHS for football, but really? I'm sure coaches all over your state are clamoring to allow QBs to ground the ball as they please!
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He got a million e-mails from coaches that agree with him.
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Old Thu Dec 08, 2011, 05:01pm
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Oh, it happened!
25 yards out of bounds

You are not a very good liar.
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