30 Yard Penalty

[bigjohn]

Coaches know it and teach it. DPI is always better than a TD and we know no ref will call the additional 15. I have seen it happen but not called more than a few times. Of course most offenses get away with OPI near the goal line on pick plays so it all evens out.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Coaches know it and teach it. DPI is always better than a TD and we know no ref will call the additional 15. I have seen it happen but not called more than a few times. Of course most offenses get away with OPI near the goal line on pick plays so it all evens out.

You mean coaches DON'T know it ... and teach accordingly.

[Robert Goodman]

The wording being "an additional 15 yards", how does it work? Is it administered as 2 successive 15 yard penalties, or a single penalty of 30 yards?

[bigjohn]

Second 15 is USC!

PENALTY: Illegal forward pass (Arts. 2a,b,c) – (S35); intentional grounding
(Arts. 2d,e) –(S36) – 5 yards plus loss of down – (S9). Pass interference (Art.
10) – (S33) – 15 yards and automatic first down if by B, 15 yards plus loss of
down if by A – (S9). If the pass interference by either player is intentional, his
team shall be penalized an additional 15 yards (S27). Ineligible downfield
(Art. 12) – (S37) – 5 yards. Illegal touching (Art. 13) – (S16) – 5 yards plus loss
of down.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Second 15 is USC!

PENALTY: Illegal forward pass (Arts. 2a,b,c) – (S35); intentional grounding
(Arts. 2d,e) –(S36) – 5 yards plus loss of down – (S9). Pass interference (Art.
10) – (S33) – 15 yards and automatic first down if by B, 15 yards plus loss of
down if by A – (S9). If the pass interference by either player is intentional, his
team shall be penalized an additional 15 yards (S27). Ineligible downfield
(Art. 12) – (S37) – 5 yards. Illegal touching (Art. 13) – (S16) – 5 yards plus loss
of down.

So then they didn't get rid of all the contact USCs -- or they did, and later brought one in.

Another interesting aspect is that this is an exception to 9-9-1. In other codes an intentional pass interference that saves an obvious touchdown could be penalized equitably by the award of the score, but in Fed this special 15+15 penalty (however it's administered) is clearly "specific rule coverage" which supersedes the equitable penalty.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

So then they didn't get rid of all the contact USCs -- or they did, and later brought one in.

Another interesting aspect is that this is an exception to 9-9-1. In other codes an intentional pass interference that saves an obvious touchdown could be penalized equitably by the award of the score, but in Fed this special 15+15 penalty (however it's administered) is clearly "specific rule coverage" which supersedes the equitable penalty.

In theory, I suppose you can award a score under NFL rules for an palpably unfair act, but realistically, that rule is mainly used for interference by non-players.

[JMUplayer]

In a high school game in VA... After a TD play there were two sepereate dead ball unsportsmanlike penalties and the referees kick the ball off from the opponets 30 yard line. Never seen a kickoff from the opponets 30 before that night.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

The wording being "an additional 15 yards", how does it work? Is it administered as 2 successive 15 yard penalties, or a single penalty of 30 yards?

Shame on me for admitting this - but I believe you indirectly raise an interesting issue.

The rule does not say to call an additional USC penalty - it says the penalty for intentional DPI is "an additional 15 yards." Why does it matter? Well ... how do you administer this foul from the 40 yard line? 15 to the 25, then half the distance to the 12 1/2? Or just flat out half the distance (to the 20). Logic would seem to be the former, but the way this rule reads, one could interpret it as the latter.

What about from the 20? To the 5 and then half? Or just half? How about from the 32?

[Welpe]

There is a Federation fundamental that no penalty is greater than 15 yards so I believe it is their intent that the penalities are 15+15 instead of one 30 yarder.

[bigjohn]

X. PENALTY MEASUREMENT
1. The distance penalty for any foul may be declined.
2. Penalties are either 5, 10 or 15 yards.
3. Any live-ball foul is penalized according to the all-but-one enforcement principle except:
a. Fouls which occur simultaneously with the snap.
b. A foul by the opponents of the scoring team during a successful try, field goal or touchdown
when the score is accepted.
c. A nonplayer or unsportsmanlike foul.
d. Roughing the passer when the dead ball spot is beyond the neutral zone and there has been
no change of team possession.
4. Penalty enforcement for any dead ball, nonplayer or unsportsmanlike foul is from the succeeding
spot unless the foul occurs on a scoring play and the scoring team chooses enforcement on the
kickoff per 8-2-2, 8-2-3, 8-2-4 or 8-2-5
5. The penalty for any one of the five illegal passes is a loss of 5 yards and the down is counted except
for a forward pass following change of team possession.
6. The penalty for offensive pass interference includes the loss of down.
7. No penalty directly results in a safety, but if a distance penalty is enforced from behind the offender’s
goal line toward his end line, it is a safety.
8. The penalty for a live-ball foul by the defensive team is administered from the basic spot, except
when that spot is in the end zone.
9. The loss of down aspect of a penalty has no significance following a change of possession or if the
line to gain is reached after enforcement.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Coaches know it and teach it. DPI is always better than a TD and we know no ref will call the additional 15. I have seen it happen but not called more than a few times. Of course most offenses get away with OPI near the goal line on pick plays so it all evens out.

How is it -- going through life as cynical as you seem to be?

[bigjohn]

Intentional pass interference

Who is the USC on? Player or Coach? It says the team is penalized.