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mtridge Mon Oct 24, 2011 04:12pm

30 Yard Penalty
 
Flipping thru the rule book was suprised to discover there is actually the ability to have a 30 yards penalty if there is intentional pass interference. Just curious if anyone has actually called this before and what did the player did to deem it necessary for the additional yardage.

JRutledge Mon Oct 24, 2011 04:17pm

Never seen this. Never seen anything to make me think this should be called. But I still like the rule being there.

Peace

APG Mon Oct 24, 2011 04:21pm

Just an FYI, in the NFL, if a defensive pass interference penalty is also simultaneously a personal foul, they tack on the 15 yards from the spot of interference (assuming the DPI is accepted). Never seen this happen, much in the same vain of intentional pass interference.

MD Longhorn Mon Oct 24, 2011 04:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 795697)
Just an FYI, in the NFL, if a defensive pass interference penalty is also simultaneously a personal foul, they tack on the 15 yards from the spot of interference (assuming the DPI is accepted). Never seen this happen, much in the same vain of intentional pass interference.

Makes a lot more sense at lower levels though, where DPI is not a spot foul.

CT1 Mon Oct 24, 2011 04:39pm

Maybe -- just maybe -- having such a punitive penalty is the very reason you don't see it.

JRutledge Mon Oct 24, 2011 04:41pm

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Originally Posted by CT1 (Post 795704)
Maybe -- just maybe -- having such a punitive penalty is the very reason you don't see it.

Something tells me that coaches do not even know this rule exists.

Peace

wisref2 Mon Oct 24, 2011 04:45pm

My crew jokes about that rule all the time. Call it once and watch the forest burn down around you! :)

HLin NC Mon Oct 24, 2011 07:27pm

Once, JV game, 15 or so years ago.

LB covering TE near mid-field, TE gets by him, ball is approaching and LB grabs back of the jersey and pulls him to the ground.

bigjohn Tue Oct 25, 2011 05:29am

Coaches know it and teach it. DPI is always better than a TD and we know no ref will call the additional 15. I have seen it happen but not called more than a few times. Of course most offenses get away with OPI near the goal line on pick plays so it all evens out.

MD Longhorn Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 795757)
Coaches know it and teach it. DPI is always better than a TD and we know no ref will call the additional 15. I have seen it happen but not called more than a few times. Of course most offenses get away with OPI near the goal line on pick plays so it all evens out.

You mean coaches DON'T know it ... and teach accordingly.

Robert Goodman Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:44am

The wording being "an additional 15 yards", how does it work? Is it administered as 2 successive 15 yard penalties, or a single penalty of 30 yards?

bigjohn Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:48am

Second 15 is USC!

PENALTY: Illegal forward pass (Arts. 2a,b,c) – (S35); intentional grounding
(Arts. 2d,e) –(S36) – 5 yards plus loss of down – (S9). Pass interference (Art.
10) – (S33) – 15 yards and automatic first down if by B, 15 yards plus loss of
down if by A – (S9). If the pass interference by either player is intentional, his
team shall be penalized an additional 15 yards (S27). Ineligible downfield
(Art. 12) – (S37) – 5 yards. Illegal touching (Art. 13) – (S16) – 5 yards plus loss
of down.

Rich Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 795757)
Coaches know it and teach it. DPI is always better than a TD and we know no ref will call the additional 15. I have seen it happen but not called more than a few times. Of course most offenses get away with OPI near the goal line on pick plays so it all evens out.

How is it -- going through life as cynical as you seem to be?

bigjohn Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:57am

Intentional pass interference

Who is the USC on? Player or Coach? It says the team is penalized.

MD Longhorn Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 795791)
The wording being "an additional 15 yards", how does it work? Is it administered as 2 successive 15 yard penalties, or a single penalty of 30 yards?

Shame on me for admitting this - but I believe you indirectly raise an interesting issue.

The rule does not say to call an additional USC penalty - it says the penalty for intentional DPI is "an additional 15 yards." Why does it matter? Well ... how do you administer this foul from the 40 yard line? 15 to the 25, then half the distance to the 12 1/2? Or just flat out half the distance (to the 20). Logic would seem to be the former, but the way this rule reads, one could interpret it as the latter.

What about from the 20? To the 5 and then half? Or just half? How about from the 32?


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