Scrimmage Kick (FG) exception

[Reffing Rev.]

issue #1
Well the kicker started forward like he would and was completely caught off guard by the snap in his face. He batted the ball to the holder. After seeing this my flag was late and I threw it for an illegal bat, (backward pass batted forward by the team in possession)

Issue #2
A pass is made by a player in possession right? So its not a pass, the snap was never possessed by anyone so the holder recovered the snap with a knee on the ground as a holder, ball remained live.

Issue #3
The ball became dead when the ball was caught in the end zone. THe defender had gone up to try to bat the pass and came down with a hand full of facemask and brought the ball carrier down with it. It was bang bang, but definately after the pass completion.

End result. It was 4th and goal at the 5. Illegal bat-live ball foul to the 20, dead ball foul to the 10 and Replay 4th down. I will say 10 years ago that play would have blown up on me, but having learned to slow down and talk through the play we nailed it. The only problem we encountered, A's coach had "never heard of illegal batting and he's been coaching for 37 years."

[tomes1978]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

issue #1
Well the kicker started forward like he would and was completely caught off guard by the snap in his face. He batted the ball to the holder. After seeing this my flag was late and I threw it for an illegal bat, (backward pass batted forward by the team in possession)

Issue #2
A pass is made by a player in possession right? So its not a pass, the snap was never possessed by anyone so the holder recovered the snap with a knee on the ground as a holder, ball remained live.

Issue #3
The ball became dead when the ball was caught in the end zone. THe defender had gone up to try to bat the pass and came down with a hand full of facemask and brought the ball carrier down with it. It was bang bang, but definately after the pass completion.

End result. It was 4th and goal at the 5. Illegal bat-live ball foul to the 20, dead ball foul to the 10 and Replay 4th down. I will say 10 years ago that play would have blown up on me, but having learned to slow down and talk through the play we nailed it. The only problem we encountered, A's coach had "never heard of illegal batting and he's been coaching for 37 years."

Good job, I'm in my second year and there is no way I would not have gotten that right on the fly in the moment.