what do you have???

[Canned Heat]

Posed two scenarios to our head football guy in WI at the WIAA....my question followed by his response.


If the center (A55) snapped the ball back and it went; a) went straight back along the ground, loose bouncing back to the QB (A12) without getting airborne at all.
Or
b) backward from LOS but still under the center, without being touched by any other A player.

The snap ends when the ball hits the ground and it becomes a loose ball. Since the snap from the center touched the ground, the snap ended and it is a fumble. If recovered by the offense they may continue the play. It would be a loose ball. Team A could recover the loose ball and advance, as could B.

If the snapper were to fail to release the ball, you'd have an illegal snap. But if he immediately releases the ball and it is loose, I would keep the ball live. So in both (a) and (b) scenarios presented below, live ball.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Canned Heat

Posed two scenarios to our head football guy in WI at the WIAA....my question followed by his response.


If the center (A55) snapped the ball back and it went; a) went straight back along the ground, loose bouncing back to the QB (A12) without getting airborne at all.
Or
b) backward from LOS but still under the center, without being touched by any other A player.

The snap ends when the ball hits the ground and it becomes a loose ball. Since the snap from the center touched the ground, the snap ended and it is a fumble. If recovered by the offense they may continue the play. It would be a loose ball. Team A could recover the loose ball and advance, as could B.

If the snapper were to fail to release the ball, you'd have an illegal snap. But if he immediately releases the ball and it is loose, I would keep the ball live. So in both (a) and (b) scenarios presented below, live ball.

That's your "head football guy" at the state association? Wow.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Canned Heat

Posed two scenarios to our head football guy in WI at the WIAA....my question followed by his response.


If the center (A55) snapped the ball back and it went; a) went straight back along the ground, loose bouncing back to the QB (A12) without getting airborne at all.
Or
b) backward from LOS but still under the center, without being touched by any other A player.

The snap ends when the ball hits the ground and it becomes a loose ball. Since the snap from the center touched the ground, the snap ended and it is a fumble. If recovered by the offense they may continue the play. It would be a loose ball. Team A could recover the loose ball and advance, as could B.

If the snapper were to fail to release the ball, you'd have an illegal snap. But if he immediately releases the ball and it is loose, I would keep the ball live. So in both (a) and (b) scenarios presented below, live ball.

Wow. Heck... I'm in agreement with this being a live, legal snap... but honestly that reply is weak. Wouldn't you agree?

[cmathews]

Originally Posted by Canned Heat

Posed two scenarios to our head football guy in WI at the WIAA....my question followed by his response.


If the center (A55) snapped the ball back and it went; a) went straight back along the ground, loose bouncing back to the QB (A12) without getting airborne at all.
Or
b) backward from LOS but still under the center, without being touched by any other A player.

The snap ends when the ball hits the ground and it becomes a loose ball. Since the snap from the center touched the ground, the snap ended and it is a fumble. If recovered by the offense they may continue the play. It would be a loose ball. Team A could recover the loose ball and advance, as could B.

If the snapper were to fail to release the ball, you'd have an illegal snap. But if he immediately releases the ball and it is loose, I would keep the ball live. So in both (a) and (b) scenarios presented below, live ball.

I appreciate your diligence here CH and you do what your people tell you. My contention is that he never snapped it.

[Canned Heat]

If it bumbles along on the ground back to the QB, no different than a lousy snap from a long snapper to a punter, except with less air time.....it stays live.

There are 2 programs that still run wing T around here with the backs all cuddled up behind center and the ball rarely makes it to the backs without it NOT hitting the ground and maybe never gets in the air. I've never seen anyone kill it ever, nor have I.

My honest opinion is some of you really try hard to read way too far into a rule and dissect it....just my 2 cents. Do what you do or what you've done...if the ball moves backwards away from the LOS, it's a live ball if/when it leaves the snapper's hand(s).

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Canned Heat

Posed two scenarios to our head football guy in WI at the WIAA....my question followed by his response.


If the center (A55) snapped the ball back and it went; a) went straight back along the ground, loose bouncing back to the QB (A12) without getting airborne at all.
Or
b) backward from LOS but still under the center, without being touched by any other A player.

The snap ends when the ball hits the ground and it becomes a loose ball. Since the snap from the center touched the ground, the snap ended and it is a fumble. If recovered by the offense they may continue the play. It would be a loose ball. Team A could recover the loose ball and advance, as could B.

If the snapper were to fail to release the ball, you'd have an illegal snap. But if he immediately releases the ball and it is loose, I would keep the ball live. So in both (a) and (b) scenarios presented below, live ball.

No offense to our "head football guy" but you're better off asking these questions to a group of officials who diligently study the rules. In other words, here.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Canned Heat

Posed two scenarios to our head football guy in WI at the WIAA....my question followed by his response.


[I]If the center (A55) snapped the ball back and it went; a) went straight back along the ground, loose bouncing back to the QB (A12) without getting airborne at all.

Is there some punctuation or something missing? How could it be at the same time "straight back along the ground", "without getting airborne at all", and yet "bouncing"? Was "rolling" or "skidding" meant rather than bouncing, or were these supposed to have been separate cases?

[Canned Heat]

Rolling from hand backward at snap..never being elevated at any time.

Written in a hurry...should've composed it better.