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Old Mon Sep 12, 2011, 01:10pm
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Can you get a different ball for PAT'S & Field Goals try's when the ball is
under inflated?
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First of all you cannot use a special ball for those times anyway. So yes you can replace the ball if the ball for some reason was under inflated.

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Can you get a different ball for PAT'S & Field Goals try's when the ball is
under inflated?
CANADIAN RULING:

When a ball is under-inflated, it should be removed from the game when detected and a suitable replacement ball used. It doesn't matter when the detection occurs. A good crew will check the ball every so often - often when they're relaying the ball back to the U to re-spot after an incomplete pass.
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Old Mon Sep 12, 2011, 02:02pm
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If the ball is underinflated, it shouldn't be out there to begin with.
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Old Mon Sep 12, 2011, 02:49pm
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under inflated football

Yes,it should be removed under these circumstances, but the ref's would not
do this,so how do you enforce the 12 1/2 to 13 1/2 psi rule?
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Old Mon Sep 12, 2011, 03:01pm
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Yes,it should be removed under these circumstances, but the ref's would not
do this,so how do you enforce the 12 1/2 to 13 1/2 psi rule?
What do you mean by "the refs would not do this"?

Generally speaking, if a ball was legal on the play that scored the TD (or the play before a FG attempt), it's legal on the PAT or FG attempt. I can't remember a ball ever suddenly becoming unplayable just before a kick. If my U did not notice the ball losing pressure on the previous play, I'm going to have a hard time believing it's lost all it's pressure on the upcoming play.
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Yes,it should be removed under these circumstances, but the ref's would not
do this,so how do you enforce the 12 1/2 to 13 1/2 psi rule?
How do you know it was under inflated? Did you check it personally? Or did you just tell the officials it was and expect they would take your word for it? Sorry, I smell a rat here.

Like I told you before, this is on the Referee to decide. If they felt the ball was legal, the ball is legal. You cannot bring in another ball just for a PAT or FG because you do not like the ball that was previously used. You should have used a better ball the entire series. The officials were correct to not allow another ball to be brought in without any specific information.

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A few years ago I was working a game in Illinois and the visiting team wanted me to check their "kicking ball." I told the coach that I'd be happy to check in the football, but it would just be one of the legal game balls.

Then the kid handed me the football. No way I was going to allow this thing -- it looked like it was overinflated and run through a sander. The kid was a punter who actually was offered a D1 scholarship and, man, could he punt. With a normal ball -- I never saw him punt "his" ball.

It's up to us whether a ball is over or under inflated. If we checked it in, it's unlikely it's coming out until the next series UNLESS it's wet or if it gets punctured.
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Old Mon Sep 12, 2011, 03:34pm
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The ball was so deflated the kicker would squeeze the ball on the field in front
of the ref, & you could see the kicker's thumb buried in the ball from the sidelines. You do not need a guage to see that it was definitely under inflated, my question is how can you get another certified ball for this case
(not a special or kicking ball) if the ref refuses to do the right thing.
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Just explained to a coach and his assistant this last Friday night that there cannot be a "kicking ball," per se. They asked what the parameters were and when I told them it had to meet inflation specs, ball striping, NFHS stamp, etc....they said that was the very first time they've ever been told that.

Team was down by 34 at half and lost by 41. Pretty sure it wasn't the ball.
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The ball was so deflated the kicker would squeeze the ball on the field in front
of the ref, & you could see the kicker's thumb buried in the ball from the sidelines. You do not need a guage to see that it was definitely under inflated, my question is how can you get another certified ball for this case
(not a special or kicking ball) if the ref refuses to do the right thing.
You can't (not sure how many ways people can say this to you). If the officials felt the ball was legal before, they are not going to change it unless they feel the ball is under inflated. You could complain, but if they refuse then they refuse. That is what they are there to do, make decisions even when you do not like them. It is that simple, the official's decision is final.

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The ball was so deflated the kicker would squeeze the ball on the field in front
of the ref, & you could see the kicker's thumb buried in the ball from the sidelines. You do not need a guage to see that it was definitely under inflated, my question is how can you get another certified ball for this case
(not a special or kicking ball) if the ref refuses to do the right thing.
It's quite obvious that teams these days have plenty of balls, so that shouldn't have been an issue. I would take the next step when evaluating the crew or passing that info along to your CC or state association.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess this crew doesn't have alot of playoff experience, but JRut is right. Unless it's obvious...they won't change it. Did you see if they checked them prior to the game...?
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Old Mon Sep 12, 2011, 03:49pm
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Thanks, I understand it is a ref's call,we won the game, I just felt bad
for the kicker, the ball hit the crossbar from 42 yards.
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Was it your kicker or the opponent?

If its your ball and your team, I can see how the officials might not have allowed you to introduce a new ball. The balls should have been presented and checked prior to the game.
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Thanks, I understand it is a ref's call,we won the game, I just felt bad
for the kicker, the ball hit the crossbar from 42 yards.
This is what I do not understand. Usually a team tries to bring out an under inflated or altered ball. That is why the NFL went to the "K" ball because teams would doctor the balls and under inflate them to get an advantage. Also those balls are easier to hold on to and grasp when running the football.

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