"All But One" .....official left .....what wii you do ?

[Theisey]

Originally posted by Derock1986
You carry TWO flags? I hope you're joking. First sign of an official who intends to throw a lot of flags is when you see TWO flags! You don't need 2 flags Mr Neil (aka textbook flag happy official--Barney Fyfe with not one but two guns!).

Sign? what sign? I carry two flags and I'll stand right next to you and I'll bet you will not even know I have them. You won't even see the first flag and that's the one easiest to toss.

I take it you have never had a flag for illegal motion, a hold or illegal shift followed by a face mask on a tackle or late hit OOB on the same play.
Stuff like this does happen and that's what the second flag is for.

But, I suppose one can toss the hat or bean bag. That really means a lot right?... Wrong.

[mikesears]

I've got to agree with Tom about the two flags. I carry two myself. One at my waist and one tucked fully into my back pocket. Only had to use both of the twice in four years.

Chain crews are used to waiting to move if they see yellow.

[mikesears]

Originally posted by DrMooreReferee
Derock, seriously, I'm not taking aim on you. But it really does seem like you need to spend some more time in the rulebook and casebook. Nobody is saying that game sense isn't important. But knowledge of the rules is IMPERATIVE. You must have the knowledge of the rules in order to properly officiate the game . . . .

Well said

I'd add that understanding proper terminology is THE key starting point for any good official. To be the best officials we can, we have to know the rules and THEN know when to apply them.

[ABoselli]

OK, well, we walk of 10 from the end of the run (sorry, in my first go, I was thinking the run ended beyond the R35 so I was going from there - I went back and looked) so it's 1/10 from the R15 (from here forward referred to as the A15) and I throw out Coach Nayzium - Rule 11 - just because. No, no, just kidding.

As far as carrying two flags, I've had to use two flags just once, so I carry one. In my opener this year, the umpire had to throw two on one play (a punt). The only time I needed the second one, it was an unsportsmanlike (in a yute game) on the team that I had just called a hold on on a long gainer and the little darlings were muttering "bull**** call" as they passed me on the way back to their huddle. I just told the closest official to me to give me his flag and I tossed it. I have to give the coach credit as when he asked me why I threw it, and I told him, he made his players apologize to me and admonished them that that was not what this game was about. Excellent job by him.

[KWH]

AB-
As much as I like controling my sidelines without flags, we are going to have to have a 15 yard UC tacked on against the Coach of K (JimNazium) since the Umpire ran into him. That would make it 1st and 10 for A (R) on the A30 under NFHS rules.
(Perhaps this UC could be a good example of why veteran officials carry two flags!)


Even though I'm pretty sure DeRock would rule the play as follows:
1) The two live ball fouls offset! (Clean hands? Whats that? It must not be important 'cause DeRock's never heard of it!)
2) A timeout would be charged to JimNazium for being on the field. (I believe this is a 30 second timeout as we are within the last two minutes of the first of three periods, but they may get the full 2 minutes under Maryland rules)
3) Coach JimNazium is additionally charged with a delay of game penalty for his unabaited run at the Umpire, (the penalty for delay of game is a 10 second runoff!)
4)The argumentative mom in the stands is ejected!


[Edited by KWH on Dec 26th, 2002 at 12:10 PM]

[JMN]

...and don't forget the penalty and ejection of the AD for allowing that exposed sprinkler that killed ABoselli! Oh, sorry AB! Glad to hear that you recovered. lol

Mr. Neil, great post!

[James Neil]

Gentlemen, I carry two down indicators. One to keep track of downs, one for the previous spot. Two whistles. I put my lanyard whistle in my mouth pre-snap and let it fall at the snap. Then on the rare occasions I do blow the play dead I use my finger whistle. I carry two bean bags. In two games this year I had to toss them both during a down and I was glad I had them. I carry two flags (as do most officials I work with), one tucked at my waist on my non throwing hand side, one tucked DEEP in my rear pocket. I started doing this after a player told me to go ahead and “toss another one”. I’d banged him for a clip and he wouldn’t shut up after I’d told him I’d heard enough. I though it looked pretty silly me tossing an imaginary flag. I haven’t had to toss both yet for anything live but I figure it’s better to be prepared.
I have at least two of everything and I mean EVERYTHING in my game bag. Not only to replace anything lost or damaged, buy also for that sometimes forgetful crewmate I may happen to be working with.
I keep a full set of NFHS “Books” in my game bag. These are there to use in case the crew need to refer to them in our pre-game or to check on anything we need to clarify during our post-game. Never would I have one with me on the field, NEVER!
It seems someone here can’t conceive of anyone actually being able to quote or understand the rules without a book to read from. I’m sure it’s a hell of a lot easer to shine on reading the dam thing and make up your own rules as you go like this someone. But some people think they are bigger then the game and prance around demanding RESPECT! All the while thinking “OHOOO I’m sooo important! We defiantly have one here who I will now only refer to as the” ANTI-REF”.
This brings me to the reason I use these on-line forums. I come here to learn and improve my officiating skills. I wonder why the Anti-Ref comes here.

Here’s my take on this play

4/10 @ K-40 , K2 punts a high short kick that lands mid field , While the balls in the air K52 blocks R75 in the back @ K-45 . Before the ball's been touched by any R player, K9 muffs the ball @ R-48 where it then rolls to the R-15, R32 recovers and advances to the R-25. During R32’s runback R4 holds K15 @ R-35. Mr. Neil runs smack into Mr. Nayz who is on the field yelling about the holding by R4

I will consult the R captain only and will give him what I think is his best option first. I will tell him he can decline K’s BITB and keep the ball after having his foul enforced. It will be his ball 1/10 @ his own 30. Or accept and we’ll replay the down 4/25 @ K-25 (Coach Nayz gets banged either way).
If he declines I march off 10 for the hold from the end of R32’s run because the foul occurred beyond the BS, then add I’ll add 15 for the USC on Coach Naz, God rest his soul. I’ll then set the chains. I’ll be able to explain to Coach Nayz why his captain wasn’t consulted and how the clean hands thing works just as soon as I get to him in that big Grid Iron in the sky. This should be soon seeing as how the Anti-Ref has just beaten me to death (he works out you know) and has taken over the game because I have no game sense

Just as an after thought, would an IP call on Coach Nayz be the better way to go here? I’m sure he’d think so seeing as it would go away if this was the case. Just wondering what you guys think. Well actually I’m just wondering what 99% of you all think. The Anti-Ref can keep his option to himself

[James Neil]

Originally posted by KWH
AB-
As much as I like controling my sidelines without flags, we are going to have to have a 15 yard UC tacked on against the Coach of K (JimNazium) since the Umpire ran into him. That would make it 1st and 10 for A (R) on the A30 under NFHS rules.
(Perhaps this UC could be a good example of why veteran officials carry two flags!)


Even though I'm pretty sure DeRock would rule the play as follows:
1) The two live ball fouls offset! (Clean hands? Whats that? It must not be important 'cause DeRock's never heard of it!)
2) A timeout would be charged to JimNazium for being on the field. (I believe this is a 30 second timeout as we are within the last two minutes of the first of three periods, but they may get the full 2 minutes under Maryland rules)
3) Coach JimNazium is additionally charged with a delay of game penalty for his unabaited run at the Umpire, (the penalty for delay of game is a 10 second runoff!)
4)The argumentative mom in the stands is ejected!


[Edited by KWH on Dec 26th, 2002 at 12:10 PM]

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LOL I see you've worked Maryland youth ball too LOL

[ABoselli]

I bring two of everything in my bag as well (except shoes) and sometimes three (socks)-(I have the recurring nightmare of forgetting my pants or shirt). I keep the books in the bag for the very same reason - pre-game. We never have pre-games at yutes unless there's a real new guy. If I'm in charge, he'll end up refereeing the littlest kid game.

I still carry two whistles (the first as a finger, the second in my pocket) but stopped carrying a lanyard whiostle. I used to do what you do with the dropping after the snap, but it would hit me in the face if I had to run, and that got annoying.

Brain cramp here - what's an IP?

[AndrewMcCarthy]

IP = Illegal Participation

[James Neil]

Originally posted by ABoselli
I bring two of everything in my bag as well (except shoes)

Brain cramp here - what's an IP?

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Illegal Participation, I was thinking USC are non-contact fouls.

BTW AB…I have an extra pair of shoes in my bag just in case you need them LOL

[ABoselli]

You must have one of those hockey bags that can fit a small family in them. I'm still drying out one of my pairs from the last varsity game I did in a small pond masquerading as a football field. I'm not saying it was wet, but ducks kept having to be shooed away from the end line.

IP. IP. Hmmmm. No. I think UC does it here (see, I can acronym!) To use a derock favorite - Neil initiated the contact. If Coach Nayzium was yelling at me and had his gaze my way, he couldn't have seen Mr. Niel bearing down on him. Mr. Niel must have hit his head on those headset battery packs they carry - ouch, that'll leave a mark.

[James Neil]

Originally posted by ABoselli
You must have one of those hockey bags that can fit a small family in them. I'm still drying out one of my pairs from the last varsity game I did in a small pond masquerading as a football field. I'm not saying it was wet, but ducks kept having to be shooed away from the end line.


You are right, about the size of a steamer trunk. And heavy too. That’s why I always bring my caddy along to tote the dam thing LOL
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IP. IP. Hmmmm. No. I think UC does it here (see, I can acronym!) To use a derock favorite - Neil initiated the contact. If Coach Nayzium was yelling at me and had his gaze my way, he couldn't have seen Mr. Niel bearing down on him. Mr. Niel must have hit his head on those headset battery packs they carry - ouch, that'll leave a mark.


LOL right again AB, using the Maryland-youth-do-it-yourself Anti-Ref rules Coach Nayz had every right to his part of the field. What really happened was I thought he was pretending to be a runner... oh no wait...a potential runner, or a pitch-man or maybe the Anti-Ref Himself!

[JimNayzium]

For the record, THEY made up the JimNayzium stuff for hitting the umpire....This is all hypothetical...No confusion with some of my real scenarios here...i have never run into an official....i may have egged cars on the way out, but never during the game...haha kidding ofcourse....

just clear my name of any misconduct, thanks....guys....

[James Neil]

Coach , my girl friend just told me it's scary when she hears me laughing so loud when I'm in the other room all alone LOL