N. Carolina/Tennessee

[RealityCheck]

Originally Posted by TXMike

What missed call in what inconsequential game caused this change?

Television was the driving force for this change, but it also impacts non-televised games as well. Total plays have been reduced by about 10% due to the short-sightedness of the rules committee in bowing to television so it can squeeze more commericial minutes into games.

Some of the changes were also brought about due to the complete inconsistency in starting the play clock under the old 25-second rule. The 40/25 system is an improvement, but I believe 35/20 would be even better. I remember watching an SEC game under the old rule, and a team got a first down with 2:09 left and the defense had no timeouts left...the offense never even had to run the 3rd down play.

Last night's "missed call in what inconsequential game" is already generating calls for the stupid 10-second runoff that doesn't even belong in the NFL. That is what I want to prevent.

[JasonTX]

Originally Posted by RealityCheck

Television was the driving force for this change, but it also impacts non-televised games as well. Total plays have been reduced by about 10% due to the short-sightedness of the rules committee in bowing to television so it can squeeze more commericial minutes into games.

Some of the changes were also brought about due to the complete inconsistency in starting the play clock under the old 25-second rule. The 40/25 system is an improvement, but I believe 35/20 would be even better. I remember watching an SEC game under the old rule, and a team got a first down with 2:09 left and the defense had no timeouts left...the offense never even had to run the 3rd down play.

Last night's "missed call in what inconsequential game" is already generating calls for the stupid 10-second runoff that doesn't even belong in the NFL. That is what I want to prevent.

No reason to panic and change rules over 1 play. How often do we see situations like last night?

[TXMike]

Many of us have talked about plays just like this in hypothetical terms for several years. We knew there would be a day when it would happen, and it did. It happened in an inconsequential game but that does not mean it could not happen in the BCS Championship game. (And now that coaches have seen it play out in technicolor you know they are hard at work figuring out how to exploit this for themselves in the future)

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by TXMike

It happened in an inconsequential game but that does not mean it could not happen in the BCS Championship game

I think that's an oxymoron.

[RealityCheck]

Originally Posted by TXMike

Many of us have talked about plays just like this in hypothetical terms for several years. We knew there would be a day when it would happen, and it did. It happened in an inconsequential game but that does not mean it could not happen in the BCS Championship game. (And now that coaches have seen it play out in technicolor you know they are hard at work figuring out how to exploit this for themselves in the future)

Doesn't matter what game it happened in. The rules in place would have handled the situation properly if they had been enforced properly. If the North Carolina kicker can make it from 49 instead of 39, they still play OT.

But why should players and officials but put into frantic end-half and end-game situations where mistakes from both groups are inevitable? The rules should keep end-half and end-game situations orderly. CFL timing rules do that. NCAA and NFL timing rules do not.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RealityCheck

But why should players and officials but put into frantic end-half and end-game situations where mistakes from both groups are inevitable? The rules should keep end-half and end-game situations orderly. CFL timing rules do that. NCAA and NFL timing rules do not.

I disagree with that. You may like the CFL rules on timing, but I cannot stand to watch most of that game for all other kinds of rules. It is about style and how you want to govern behavior on the field. I have no problem with the timing rules in either league and comparing an amateur level to a pro level where things are purposely done to keep things in check is kind of silly anyway. There are reasons each level has different set of rules because of what the participants will do and try to get advantages. I do not see this as being a major advantage as I am reading this or something common. But then again I did not see the game in question or the situation so I will have to take your word for what happened.

Peace

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by RealityCheck

Doesn't matter what game it happened in. The rules in place would have handled the situation properly if they had been enforced properly. If the North Carolina kicker can make it from 49 instead of 39, they still play OT.

But why should players and officials but put into frantic end-half and end-game situations where mistakes from both groups are inevitable? The rules should keep end-half and end-game situations orderly. CFL timing rules do that. NCAA and NFL timing rules do not.

In Canada they also like to pop the top on an ice cold Moose Drool or Trout Slayer. You'll get my Miller Lite when you pry it out of my cold, dead hand...

Mistakes happen. In the medical profession they're called "learning experiences".

Suggest you try the hockey forum....

[JRutledge]

Dave Parry and NCAA Rules Committee Chair Connecticut coach Randy Edsall speak up on situation

[Camron Rust]

One thing they didn't mention about the NC/UT situation is that there were 12 men in formation in addtion to the extra substitutes that were running off the field.

There were 2 down linemen to the left of the center, the center, 3 down linemen to the right of the center. One tightend on the right end, two receivers on the left side, the QB, a holder, and a kicker. (Plus the 5 or so players still on the field but trying to leave)

If I understand the NCAA rules correctly, it seems that should have made it a 15 yard penalty (Rule 9-1-5b, illegal participation). rather than 5 (illegal substitution).

10 yards further back and maybe UNC misses the FG.

UT made a number of errors down the stretch but UT got a raw deal in this one any way you slice it....whether by UNC being able to kill the clock at the cost of a penalty (bet that rule changes before next year) or by not getting the correct penalty (15 vs. 5).

(And, no, I'm certainly NOT a UT fan).

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by RealityCheck

Television was the driving force for this change, but it also impacts non-televised games as well. Total plays have been reduced by about 10% due to the short-sightedness of the rules committee in bowing to television so it can squeeze more commericial minutes into games.

Some of the changes were also brought about due to the complete inconsistency in starting the play clock under the old 25-second rule. The 40/25 system is an improvement, but I believe 35/20 would be even better. I remember watching an SEC game under the old rule, and a team got a first down with 2:09 left and the defense had no timeouts left...the offense never even had to run the 3rd down play.

Last night's "missed call in what inconsequential game" is already generating calls for the stupid 10-second runoff that doesn't even belong in the NFL. That is what I want to prevent.

Calm down, Sling Blade. Word on the street is they're going back to one platoon football so a situation like this will never arise again.

Are you happy now? See what you started?