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Old Mon Sep 06, 2010, 06:41pm
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Punt behind NZ
This happened to us the other night - K's ball 4th and 10 at their 40. Punt is straight up, hit the ground beyond the NZ, bounced back behind the NZ, comes to rest @37. K comes up, touches the ball, R comes in, picks it up and scores. We never blew it dead. Was that right?
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Old Mon Sep 06, 2010, 06:46pm
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nz abbreviation?
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nz abbreviation?
Neutral zone.

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nz abbreviation?
Have you taken any kind of officiating class? NZ is pretty basic.
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This happened to us the other night - K's ball 4th and 10 at their 40. Punt is straight up, hit the ground beyond the NZ, bounced back behind the NZ, comes to rest @37. K comes up, touches the ball, R comes in, picks it up and scores. We never blew it dead. Was that right?
In all current major USAn and Canadian codes, yes. In NCAA, because the ball touched ground on R's side of the neutral zone, R would have a theoretic choice of the touchdown or 1st down at the spot of touching by K.
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In all current major USAn and Canadian codes, yes. In NCAA, because the ball touched ground on R's side of the neutral zone, R would have a theoretic choice of the touchdown or 1st down at the spot of touching by K.
Under NFHS rules, there is no first touching on this play as the ball was touched by K BEHIND the NZ.

K could actually have picked the ball up and advanced it.
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Old Tue Sep 07, 2010, 09:36am
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Under NFHS rules, there is no first touching on this play as the ball was touched by K BEHIND the NZ.

K could actually have picked the ball up and advanced it.
He could also have kicked it again.
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Old Tue Sep 07, 2010, 10:15am
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The question I have is how long do we wait after the ball comes to rest before we kill it?
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Old Tue Sep 07, 2010, 11:22am
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The question I have is how long do we wait after the ball comes to rest before we kill it?
Until we judge that no player is attempting to secure possession. 4-2-2(e)(2)
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He could also have kicked it again.
I doub he knew he could run with it or that he could have kicked it again.
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Old Tue Sep 07, 2010, 06:54pm
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I doub he knew he could run with it or that he could have kicked it again.
Agreed.

Have had K grab the ball, get the deer in the headlights look, then put the ball on the ground.....

....followed by R picking the ball up and running........


Each situation is a cluster because not many players know what to do with a kick recovered by K behind the NZ.
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Old Thu Sep 09, 2010, 07:24am
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He could also have kicked it again.
Okay, I probably missed it when looking for it but could someone please give me a reference for this.
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Old Thu Sep 09, 2010, 07:41am
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The scenario we passed around at our association meeting last night was:

K punts.

R muffs the punt beyond the neutral zone.

Ball goes back behind the NZ and K recovers and ...

Doubtful R is going to be happy, regardless what K does at that point (unless they kick it again).
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Okay, I probably missed it when looking for it but could someone please give me a reference for this.
Sure, 6-2-1.
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This happened to us the other night - K's ball 4th and 10 at their 40. Punt is straight up, hit the ground beyond the NZ, bounced back behind the NZ, comes to rest @37. K comes up, touches the ball, R comes in, picks it up and scores. We never blew it dead. Was that right?
Yes. A scrimmage kick recovered behind the neutral zone can be advanced by either team. 6-2-2, 6-2-3
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