Winding and stopping clock

[phansen]

NFHS Minnesota only

In Minnesota, there was emphasis about cleaning up how we wind and stop the clock. Specifically they made reference in the online rules, not to wind the clock on a first down inbounds before stopping the clock for the first down to reset the chains. Just stop the clock. Then with the chains reset the R will wind the clock.
1st and 10. A1 catches a 5 yard pass near the sideline but is driven back and out of bounds. I give no signal but the clock operater stops the clock thinking the receiver was out of bounds. Can we wind this to indicate forward progress and inbounds, thus keeping the clock running?
I realize the clock operator made a mistake, but it isn't a problem for me to wind the clock. It's all about communication, right?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by phansen

NFHS Minnesota only

In Minnesota, there was emphasis about cleaning up how we wind and stop the clock. Specifically they made reference in the online rules, not to wind the clock on a first down inbounds before stopping the clock for the first down to reset the chains. Just stop the clock. Then with the chains reset the R will wind the clock.
1st and 10. A1 catches a 5 yard pass near the sideline but is driven back and out of bounds. I give no signal but the clock operater stops the clock thinking the receiver was out of bounds. Can we wind this to indicate forward progress and inbounds, thus keeping the clock running?
I realize the clock operator made a mistake, but it isn't a problem for me to wind the clock. It's all about communication, right?

On that play, you have to wind. You're telling the clock operator that progress was stopped inbounds.

I'm not a huge fan of winding and then stopping on first downs. On all first downs in the side zone, I'm asking the wing before the RFP if I'm winding or not. To me, it's repetitive and many officials don't make it look good. And it could be confusing to the clock operator who may take his eyes away after the initial wind.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

On that play, you have to wind. You're telling the clock operator that progress was stopped inbounds.

I'm not a huge fan of winding and then stopping on first downs. On all first downs in the side zone, I'm asking the wing before the RFP if I'm winding or not. To me, it's repetitive and many officials don't make it look good. And it could be confusing to the clock operator who may take his eyes away after the initial wind.

And on any first down play in my side zone, I'm signalling my white hat in or out before he even looks over, and waiting for eye contact and a nod.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

And on any first down play in my side zone, I'm signalling my white hat in or out before he even looks over, and waiting for eye contact and a nod.

Sure. For us, it's a mutual thing. I'm looking and he's telling me. Same with ball placement near the tape in the middle of the chain -- I'm looking to the linesman and he's telling me if "five will get us one." Lots of communication all game long -- some verbal, some not.

[JRutledge]

I do not see how a play is in the side zone you are not winding the clock if the ball is ruled inbounds? This is not just crew communication this is for the clock operator. I am not talking about a play in the middle. I am only talking about a play where clock status is at issue. Why would you not want to tell the clock operator and the coaches what you got? That is only common sense. The Referee might not even see you give the signal and it is really not for him anyway. But if you kill the clock and wind it on the RFP I can see a coach being caught off guard and not hurrying as they think the clock is not going to start.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not see how a play is in the side zone you are not winding the clock if the ball is ruled inbounds? This is not just crew communication this is for the clock operator. I am not talking about a play in the middle. I am only talking about a play where clock status is at issue. Why would you not want to tell the clock operator and the coaches what you got? That is only common sense. The Referee might not even see you give the signal and it is really not for him anyway. But if you kill the clock and wind it on the RFP I can see a coach being caught off guard and not hurrying as they think the clock is not going to start.

Peace

On a play that gains a first down where I'm winding it after the box is set, I'm communicating to the coaches that we're winding on the ready. The signal from the wing, to me, is unnecessary.

Your mileage may (and seems to) vary. I just don't think that giving two opposing signals back to back is great communication, either. A coach may see the second signal only and could misinterpret anyway.

Always felt that way, but not terribly strongly. Shrug.

[Canned Heat]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Sure. For us, it's a mutual thing. I'm looking and he's telling me. Same with ball placement near the tape in the middle of the chain -- I'm looking to the linesman and he's telling me if "five will get us one." Lots of communication all game long -- some verbal, some not.

Same here.

[parepat]

Originally Posted by phansen

NFHS Minnesota only

In Minnesota, there was emphasis about cleaning up how we wind and stop the clock. Specifically they made reference in the online rules, not to wind the clock on a first down inbounds before stopping the clock for the first down to reset the chains. Just stop the clock. Then with the chains reset the R will wind the clock.
1st and 10. A1 catches a 5 yard pass near the sideline but is driven back and out of bounds. I give no signal but the clock operater stops the clock thinking the receiver was out of bounds. Can we wind this to indicate forward progress and inbounds, thus keeping the clock running?
I realize the clock operator made a mistake, but it isn't a problem for me to wind the clock. It's all about communication, right?

Last year you wound the clock. This year you don't. Two years from now they will tell you you must wind again.

Where I work they forbid us from wearing black shorts to work lower level games for 20 years previous. Last year they allowed them. Next year we are ONLY allowed to wear black.

The point is that there are people making a living by telling officials what to do. They need to justify their existance on the payroll. Be patient.