End of Quarter Mechanics...

[l3will]

I observed this at a high school varsity game last Friday night.
Just thought that it may be instructional for some.

With 15 seconds left in the first quarter, team A makes a first down
by running. Clock stops, chains reset with ball on A's 47. Then the clock is restarted.
Time runs out without a play being run.

Umpire and Referee take charge of the ball and places the ball at A's 48.
Head Linesman and chain crew flip the chain with clip on A's 45. Head linesman
looks at the ball, says nothing to R and U. HL then has the chain crew set up with
the new ball position and has the chain crew reset the clip. First and 10 for
A at the new ball position. Clip moved at least three feet on the chain.

Not crucial to anything in the game....just looked bad.

[waltjp]

We'd have at least 2 people checking the ball location after the move and speaking up. The LJ, independent of anyone else, notes the location of the ball when the period ends. He then moves to the appropriate spot on the other end of the field.

The HL notes the ball's location, down and distance, and clip location.

R and U note the ball's location, down and distance, and clip location. When R, U and HL confirm this information the U moves the ball to the new spot as the HL moves the chains.

Once the ball is placed and the chains are set all officials verify that we're in the correct place.

If the U places the ball incorrectly both the LJ and HL should speak up.

[JugglingReferee]

The Canadian mechanic has a minimum of 3 people double checking the position of the change of quarter particulars.

In fact, some crews even demand a thumbs up from everyone that they have the sticks and ball in the correct position.

3-man crews: HL is independent of the R+U.
4-man: HL, LJ are each independent of the R+U.
5-man: HL, LJ are each independent of the R+U+BU.
6-man: HL, LJ, BJ are each independent of the R+U+BU.
7-man: HL, LJ, SJ, BJ are each independent of the R+U+FJ.

[officialvb]

I believe way too many seasoned officials take it for granted that they will get the placement right & don't take the time needed to note down, YTG, yard line, etc... We need to take the time we need to get it right. Plus, what is this exhibiting to the new officials?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by officialvb

I believe way too many seasoned officials take it for granted that they will get the placement right & don't take the time needed to note down, YTG, yard line, etc... We need to take the time we need to get it right. Plus, what is this exhibiting to the new officials?

Yup. Besides, what's the rush?

This will be part of the pregame for my crew this week, though. No reason to take anything for granted.

[ppaltice]

A quick question:

On 1st and 10 with a quarter change, do you have the HL clip and move the chains or just line up on the ball's succeeding spot, then clip?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by ppaltice

A quick question:

On 1st and 10 with a quarter change, do you have the HL clip and move the chains or just line up on the ball's succeeding spot, then clip?

I would not require my HL to clip before the switch.

[HLin NC]

On a first down, our R's will instuct us to go off he and the U after I've consulted D/D/YL with them. Clip is set after we've switched ends.

[umpirebob71]

Do any of you use a tape measure to get the exact location of the ball after the 1st and 3rd quarters? I've always used one.

[mv7267]

Originally Posted by umpirebob71

Do any of you use a tape measure to get the exact location of the ball after the 1st and 3rd quarters? I've always used one.

We do.

Also as the BJ, I go to the new spot while timing the break and wait for the R & U. After they set the ball, I get a new one to start the quarter. We were complemented by an observer last season that it looked "sharp".

[Ref inSoCA]

With a 1st Down at the quarter change, you don't bother with the clip. Set the box and chain and the boxman sets the clip.

[InsideTheStripe]

Originally Posted by mv7267

We do.

Also as the BJ, I go to the new spot while timing the break and wait for the R & U. After they set the ball, I get a new one to start the quarter. We were complemented by an observer last season that it looked "sharp".

Must be a north eastern Ohio thing...

I've never seen anyone take a tape measure onto a football field. Or any field for that matter.

[umpirebob71]

Originally Posted by InsideTheStripe

Must be a north eastern Ohio thing...

I've never seen anyone take a tape measure onto a football field. Or any field for that matter.

How do you get the exact spot to place the ball? The way I see it, the only way is to use a tape to measure where to spot it. Maybe that isn't important in the Chicago area, but in northeast Ohio, it is.

[Bullycon]

Originally Posted by umpirebob71

How do you get the exact spot to place the ball? The way I see it, the only way is to use a tape to measure where to spot it. Maybe that isn't important in the Chicago area, but in northeast Ohio, it is.

When recording the yardline, we also note how far the point of the ball is from the next hash. It's not exact, but I don't think the location changes any more than when the umpire spots the ball on an inbounds spot based on the foot of a wingman in the side zones.

If it's close to the line to gain, we'll use the chains to measure the exact spot, similar to moving the ball from a side zone to the inbounds spot after a measurement.

This reminds me of a funny scene from a preseason scrimmage about a month ago. The only lines on the field were the boundary lines, goal lines, 20s and 50. Yet, the format called for regular series-based possessions. Once, it was close enough to require a measurement. Fortunately, the ball was very close to the 20. The referee noted that the point was exactly one foot length from the 20. He then ran over to the sideline, noted the line to gain was half the length of his foot from the 20, and signaled first down for team B. It was the most unique measurement I've seen.

[InsideTheStripe]

Originally Posted by umpirebob71

How do you get the exact spot to place the ball? The way I see it, the only way is to use a tape to measure where to spot it. Maybe that isn't important in the Chicago area, but in northeast Ohio, it is.

As previously mentioned by Bullycon, we'll use the LTG equipment when necessary. Otherwise, we'll note the ball position between the hashes and put it in the same position between the hashes in the appropriate spot on the other end of the field - it's not that difficult.

Personally, I'm not opposed to the use of a tape measure. I've just never seen or heard of anyone doing so until this thread.