Love kick plays....

[Warrenkicker]

I believe this is wrong. The kick ended at the 4. Because R is the next to put the ball in play it is a PSK foul. The spot of the foul is the 18 and the end of the kick is the 4. Penalize half the distance from the 4 and it is R's ball first and 10 at the 2.

[mbyron]

I agree with Warrenkicker. The momentum exception does not apply to the OP because R1 fumbled the ball before it became dead in the endzone. The post-scrimmage spot for PSK fouls is the end of the kick, in this case R's 4. R's ball, 1/10 @ R's 2.

Had R1 NOT fumbled the ball, the momentum exception would apply. But since there was a foul, the basic spot would still be the end of the kick (not the 20 due to the touchback), and enforcement would be exactly the same.

So the fumble in the endzone is a red herring.

[DrMooreReferee]

Excellent job guys!!! Can't fool you.... but I thought this was a nasty little question.

[Reffing Rev.]

Assuming K1's muff is a new force...

If the fumble were still the force? safety. Penalty probably declined.

[ppaltice]

I agree with Reffing Rev, we need to know if K supplied a new force to put the ball back into the EZ. Definitely if the penalty is accepted, the penalty is from the 4 (as that is the basic spot when the penalty occurred). But, if we rule the fumble from the field of field of play back into the EZ was the result of R (and not a new force by K), we have a safety.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by ppaltice

But, if we rule the fumble from the field of field of play back into the EZ was the result of R (and not a new force by K), we have a safety.

You're talking about a quite different play. R's fumble put the ball OUT of the EZ. There was no fumble in the field of play.

[VALJ]

If R fumbles the ball from the EZ into the field of play, though, K can still provide force to put the ball back in the EZ through a muff. Can't they? Heck, I'd think it would almost HAVE to be a new force, wouldn't it?