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Old Sat Feb 14, 2009, 01:15am
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didn't it read...zero coaches in the box on a live ball?
Yes. There is now (as in NCAA) a 2 yard buffer zone.
Sideline. You. 2 yards. Chain crew. Coaches.

I'd think sideline warnings will decline.
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Old Sat Feb 14, 2009, 09:09am
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I'm with Rut on the horse collar thing. I don't see it that much, if at all and much like facemasking, holding, and BIB, what we see is way different than what you hear yelled from the sidelines.
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Old Sat Feb 14, 2009, 12:10pm
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Yes. There is now (as in NCAA) a 2 yard buffer zone.
Sideline. You. 2 yards. Chain crew. Coaches.

I'd think sideline warnings will decline.

I think you might see more, at first.
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Old Sat Feb 14, 2009, 02:59pm
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The "sideline control" revisions seem like a great, sensible and very appropriate adjustment. This has never been an issue about practical differences, there simply are no practical arguments against any of these revisions that make any sense.

This issue has always been a question about practical, sound, safety related measures opposed to some obscure notion of territorial control that has been little more than a figment of the imagination.

For the same basic reasons there are rules that govern the interaction between pedestrians and trucks, there needs to be sensible guidelines governing the interaction between persons operating immediately on, or outside, a football sideline.
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Old Sat Feb 14, 2009, 03:23pm
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I wonder how long it will be before we see the following rule changes press release "We have dispensed with all NFHS rules and will now be adopting the rules of the NCAA."
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Old Sun Feb 15, 2009, 04:57pm
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I wonder how long it will be before we see the following rule changes press release "We have dispensed with all NFHS rules and will now be adopting the rules of the NCAA."
Fed started with NCAA's rules for football. So did the NFL. NCAA inherited them too; the football rules committee spawned NCAA, not vice versa.
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My point was that it seems the Fed seems to be trending towards the current NCAA rules a bit more each year.
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Old Wed Feb 18, 2009, 12:53pm
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My point was that it seems the Fed seems to be trending towards the current NCAA rules a bit more each year.
We can only hope! It sure would be easier on guys that call HS and college.
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Old Wed Feb 18, 2009, 01:18pm
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My point was that it seems the Fed seems to be trending towards the current NCAA rules a bit more each year.
For a number of years there was a liaison committee between them. But that was a long time ago as far as most of you would be concerned.
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Old Wed Feb 18, 2009, 07:50pm
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The "sideline control" revisions seem like a great, sensible and very appropriate adjustment. This has never been an issue about practical differences, there simply are no practical arguments against any of these revisions that make any sense.

This issue has always been a question about practical, sound, safety related measures opposed to some obscure notion of territorial control that has been little more than a figment of the imagination.

For the same basic reasons there are rules that govern the interaction between pedestrians and trucks, there needs to be sensible guidelines governing the interaction between persons operating immediately on, or outside, a football sideline.
OK, it is in the rule book but how vigilantly will it be enforced. I can almost bet every other crew in my association will not enforce it out of fear they will be marked down.
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Old Wed Feb 18, 2009, 08:03pm
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The rule will be enforced here in my opinion. Considering the positions on this issue before the rules change, this just makes it easier to enforce or not worry about splitting hairs when a coach is stepping on the field by a foot or two.

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Old Wed Feb 18, 2009, 08:19pm
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Ed- our state supervisor told us and the coaches two years ago that the existent rule would be strictly enforced. If it wasn't and he saw film of it, that crew was sitting out the playoffs. The coaches griped a little but many soon discovered that by doing a better job of keeping their players back, we all had plenty of room to work.

Not many of us wings that I saw got too worked up about "3 in the box" as long as the players were pushed back. The players crowding up to watch is what really causes the problems. The coaches move up to get out of their way and so forth.

I've seen how NCAA sidelines work and there aren't too many problems. I don't know what our wording will be but being a longtime wing, as long as they aren't in the way ahead of me downfield, I'm not going to sweat it too much.
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Old Wed Feb 18, 2009, 10:24pm
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OK, it is in the rule book but how vigilantly will it be enforced. I can almost bet every other crew in my association will not enforce it out of fear they will be marked down.
They can rate me down all they like. I guarantee my crew will enforce this.
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Old Wed Feb 18, 2009, 10:33pm
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They can rate me down all they like. I guarantee my crew will enforce this.
And in my case, it does not matter. They can rate us all they want to (BTW the more ratings help in our system) and I will still have that little patch on my left shoulder.

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Like HLin NC, we've been repeatedly warned that, if we want playoff games, we have to enforce the sideline rules. We have emphasized it and the coaches have been OK with it because they hear it every week.

A few times last year though, if I started just off the sideline, I'd be standing side by side with a coach which wasn't a good idea. This way I'll at least have a chance to move.
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