Old SI article on Tommy Bell and his Crew

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by Ed Hickland

. A flag is required and that lets the coach or whomever know they have violated the rules and a report will be filed. Discipline is meted by the assigning body which is over the athletic director or game management.

As I suggested, "when in Rome, do what the Romans do and want done", but in the type situation you described, "the coach or whomever know they have violated the rules", the instant they open their mouth, and the throwing of a flag is not only totally unnecessary but may very well exacerbate the situation, and is an excellent way to lose a flag or have it treated disrespectfully.

The preferred way to deal with such outbursts is to simply leave the area without responding, or adding to the exchange, and report the incident to the proper authority as strongly as you deem necessary.

[Texas Aggie]

I don't know whether a flag is appropriate under the playing rules, but we'd file a misconduct report on a situation like a coach berating an official after a game.

[Forksref]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

I don't know whether a flag is appropriate under the playing rules, but we'd file a misconduct report on a situation like a coach berating an official after a game.

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[Ed Hickland]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

I don't know whether a flag is appropriate under the playing rules, but we'd file a misconduct report on a situation like a coach berating an official after a game.

Question.

If you give a coach two USCs during the game he is disqualified by rule. Is he suspended for the next game?

What if the coach has one USC during the game, then after the game he berates an official, would that count as a second USC or does he get a free pass?

[Texas Aggie]

If you give a coach two USCs during the game he is disqualified by rule.

We play under NCAA rules with our state exceptions and right now, that is actually an open question based on some UIL wording. I don't think there's an NCAA provision for a coach's ejection absent physical contact with an official or for fighting.

Is he suspended for the next game?

Not necessarily.

What if the coach has one USC during the game, then after the game he berates an official, would that count as a second USC or does he get a free pass?

Ideally, he'd get his butt written up, but we won't flag that.

Guys, a UIL report is the LAST thing a Texas coach wants. A few years ago, that may not have been the case, but at least since this decade started, that process has not been fun for anyone.

[Ed Hickland]

Originally Posted by ajmc

As I suggested, "when in Rome, do what the Romans do and want done", but in the type situation you described, "the coach or whomever know they have violated the rules", the instant they open their mouth, and the throwing of a flag is not only totally unnecessary but may very well exacerbate the situation, and is an excellent way to lose a flag or have it treated disrespectfully.

The preferred way to deal with such outbursts is to simply leave the area without responding, or adding to the exchange, and report the incident to the proper authority as strongly as you deem necessary.

True, a flag may inflame. The fact is in our area that is the procedure and it becomes a cover your backside because if the coach writes you up and no flag has been displayed you are the one in trouble. Example, as you exit the field and the coach calls you a "$#%#$" you have no standing in filing a report. The first question asked is did you flag it.

That's Rome!

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by Ed Hickland

if the coach writes you up and no flag has been displayed you are the one in trouble.
That's Rome!

I'm afraid your problem goes a lot deeper than unruly coaches. The basic idea of using a flag is to identify that something improper has happened , immediately before, during play or immediately thereafter, so everyone knows that further game action will be interrupted until the foul has been addressed.

When leaving the field, after the game has ended, the absolute worst and dumbest thing we can do is stop, prolong or focus attention on any type of inappropriate behavior, and it's resulting commotion, in front of a crowd. Whoever it is who might insist that a flag be thrown, before taking action against inappropriate behavior by coaches, or players, after a game has ended, is a complete idiot.

The inappropriate conduct is being, or has been, committed, it makes no sense, no difference and there is no benefit or purpose in calling added attention to it at the spot, when the contest is over. There is no need to pause, as no penalty will be assessed at, or from, that point.

Roman society lasted a long time, but eventually the leaders got themselves so far off track, they had to get thrown out of office. It took a while for the Romans to get that pi$$ed off, but eventually they did.