Questionable Calls Superbowl 43

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

No, someone that claims they know more than officials, then cannot respond objectively.

From what I understand you are an official that does not work football. You of all people should know better. It is obvious you do not.

Peace

I never said I know more than they do. This is where the disconnect is I guess. I'm saying they screwed up. It doesn't take an NFL referee or even a football referee to figure out when NFL referees screw up.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I never said I know more than they do. This is where the disconnect is I guess. I'm saying they screwed up. It doesn't take an NFL referee or even a football referee to figure out when NFL referees screw up.

If you are saying they screwed up you have to give more reasons than, "I just did not like that call." Or "They should have called this a foul."

If they screwed up, explain how. Or better yet, give us the rules or interpretations that show the officials did not do what they should of. You have to do better than, "I have been watching football for....years and I never have seen that called."

Do you think the "average fan" knows the sport you work better than you do, just because of what they have seen?

Peace

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you are saying they screwed up you have to give more reasons than, "I just did not like that call." Or "They should have called this a foul." Peace

Here ya go. These are facts:

AZ had to use 2 challenges to correct mistakes on the field. The first ruled fumble by Warner was obviously not. Not ruling it an incomplete pass was an error that had to be corrected by challenge. The other with the spot was tougher, but the first one ruled a fumble was a kicked call.

The final play, no matter if the end result was right or wrong, should have been reviewed. How they allowed Pitt to line up and take a knee without review is inexcusable. The impact was too great to let stand without review. Since it was less than 2 mins, it was up to the officials to decide to review. They blew it.

The no call on the celebration was a kicked call no matter what. That's 15 yards and a huge no call based on the resulting field position and the time remaining in the game.

The rest were judgement. The roughing on Ben was weak. Based on his scrambling, how could that be roughing. Still, was likely within the rules and a defendable call. The holding on Warner on the return was more than someone has said. The Pitt player grabbed Warner's jersey on the shoulder and pulled to take him out of the play. No other contact, just the reach out, grab, and jerk. To me that's holding but easy to miss in a play of that type. Not sure Kurt would have made a play anyway, so yes, either a missed call or another judgement call that went the other way. The PF on Harrison resulted in zero penalty. The punted ball was downed on the one without any penalty. Because they always start on a yardline, this resulted in zero penalty assessed to Pitt. I have no idea of when he hit the person he was blocking in relation to if the ball was kicked or not so whether it should have been an automatic first down or not is not clear. Don't think it was flagrant and defintiely should not have resulted in an ejection.

More than the officiating, what stood out to me most yesterday was that Pitt is not longer the team I remember or used to admire. I used to like Pitt. I met Lynn Swann at the Superstars competition in Florida back in the 70's as a kid and always rooted them as "my" afc team, until now that is. I always looked at them as "old school" type, expecially with Cowher as coach. After yesterday, they are just another bunch of it's "all about me" players. The celebrating (I thought it was shaking salt into the wound at the time, still don't know what the LeBron tribute is?), the cheap shot by Harrison hitting the guy on the ground, them not acknowledging the other team for putting up a great fight (nope not one of the 3 I saw, Tomlin, Ben, or Holmes) in their post game interviews. I guess I'm just getting to old and not a targeted audience anymore. Everyone else but me must like the celebrating. Why else would Chad OCHO Johnson be talked about on Sundays? Me, I miss the Barry Sanders who whenever he scored, he would celebrate by handing the ball to the umpire.

Too Old to Change,
Roger

[fljet]

Originally Posted by Mregor

Here ya go. These are facts:

AZ had to use 2 challenges to correct mistakes on the field. The first ruled fumble by Warner was obviously not. Not ruling it an incomplete pass was an error that had to be corrected by challenge. The other with the spot was tougher, but the first one ruled a fumble was a kicked call.

The final play, no matter if the end result was right or wrong, should have been reviewed. How they allowed Pitt to line up and take a knee without review is inexcusable. The impact was too great to let stand without review. Since it was less than 2 mins, it was up to the officials to decide to review. They blew it.

The no call on the celebration was a kicked call no matter what. That's 15 yards and a huge no call based on the resulting field position and the time remaining in the game.

The rest were judgement. The roughing on Ben was weak. Based on his scrambling, how could that be roughing. Still, was likely within the rules and a defendable call. The holding on Warner on the return was more than someone has said. The Pitt player grabbed Warner's jersey on the shoulder and pulled to take him out of the play. No other contact, just the reach out, grab, and jerk. To me that's holding but easy to miss in a play of that type. Not sure Kurt would have made a play anyway, so yes, either a missed call or another judgement call that went the other way. The PF on Harrison resulted in zero penalty. The punted ball was downed on the one without any penalty. Because they always start on a yardline, this resulted in zero penalty assessed to Pitt. I have no idea of when he hit the person he was blocking in relation to if the ball was kicked or not so whether it should have been an automatic first down or not is not clear. Don't think it was flagrant and defintiely should not have resulted in an ejection.

More than the officiating, what stood out to me most yesterday was that Pitt is not longer the team I remember or used to admire. I used to like Pitt. I met Lynn Swann at the Superstars competition in Florida back in the 70's as a kid and always rooted them as "my" afc team, until now that is. I always looked at them as "old school" type, expecially with Cowher as coach. After yesterday, they are just another bunch of it's "all about me" players. The celebrating (I thought it was shaking salt into the wound at the time, still don't know what the LeBron tribute is?), the cheap shot by Harrison hitting the guy on the ground, them not acknowledging the other team for putting up a great fight (nope not one of the 3 I saw, Tomlin, Ben, or Holmes) in their post game interviews. I guess I'm just getting to old and not a targeted audience anymore. Everyone else but me must like the celebrating. Why else would Chad OCHO Johnson be talked about on Sundays? Me, I miss the Barry Sanders who whenever he scored, he would celebrate by handing the ball to the umpire.

Too Old to Change,
Roger

More fuel for the fire!!!

Roger, the lebron impersonation is how at the start of every game he shakes a bunch of powder on his hands and then throws his hands up at the crowd near the officals table prior to the opening tip off. Its so well known that Sportscenter shows him do it quite often. Im sure youll see it someday.

here is a youtube video of both the real lebron and the nfls version

http://www.faniq.com/blog/Video-Sant...ion-Blog-18695

One other thing for the choir boys, Why was #62 not flagged for dragging Roethlisberger into the end zone, the play was eventually overturned, but correct me if Im wrong you are not allowed to drag a player into the endzone in NFL rules are You? Official that signaled had to have seen it as it was obvious and right in front of him.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by fljet

One other thing for the choir boys, Why was #62 not flagged for dragging Roethlisberger into the end zone, the play was eventually overturned, but correct me if Im wrong you are not allowed to drag a player into the endzone in NFL rules are You? Official that signaled had to have seen it as it was obvious and right in front of him.

Well for one he did not drag him into the end zone, he was short of the end zone. If you have to look at slow motion replay to know what happened, that would not be a good call to make. Players fall on each other all the time. If you want that called, I would love to see you make that call in a kiddy game. You probably would piss down your leg with all the crap you would get.

Then again, you are not an official.

Peace

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by fljet

One other thing for the choir boys, Why was #62 not flagged for dragging Roethlisberger into the end zone, the play was eventually overturned, but correct me if Im wrong you are not allowed to drag a player into the endzone in NFL rules are You? Official that signaled had to have seen it as it was obvious and right in front of him.

I thought the same thing when I saw that. You very rarely see "assisting the runner" called at any level but I thought that might qualify. I'm not sure what the NFL threshold is for considering that foul but I thought kdf5 made a good point on this. The only official likely to catch that would be the wing who was probably more focused on whether or not he got into the end zone. I am curious to hear if Mike P. thought that should have been called "assisting the runner."

My guess why the RTP was called was not only because the defender hit him a second after the ball released, but he extended his arms as part of the hit. He probably didn't have enough time to hold up his original charge and there was nothing outrageous about where he hit him (i.e. head) but I don't think the defender needed to extend his arms the way he did. I wonder if that was what went through McAuley's head. I don't always agree with how tough they have gotten on RTP. If that is RTP by the current definition, that is too light. We also don't know if McAuley had talked to that defender on previous plays about close calls and he continued to do it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I never said I know more than they do. This is where the disconnect is I guess. I'm saying they screwed up. It doesn't take an NFL referee or even a football referee to figure out when NFL referees screw up.

Maybe, maybe not. But it sure helps.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I never said I know more than they do. This is where the disconnect is I guess. I'm saying they screwed up. It doesn't take an NFL referee or even a football referee to figure out when NFL referees screw up.

You are being very disingenuous now. You've accused NFL officials as a whole as being incompetent and blantantly biased. And you have done so on more than one ocassion.

So shouldn't you stop officiating basketball since I'm sure quite a few fans, coaches, and players have made the same statements about you after watching one of your games? (and don't say they haven't because it has happened to every official who has ever worn stripes.)

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You've accused NFL officials as a whole as being incompetent and blantantly biased. And you have done so on more than one ocassion.

He's also gone as far as to slam all football officials.

OK, I'm truely done now. As Dirty Harry said, "A man's got to know his limitations."

[SportingBecky]

I agree with the Officials in Super Bowl XLIII. They made the correct call on the play with Kurt Warner. It was a fumble!

Look @ this play on 6 Days to Sunday with Ed Hochuli.

This is the same kind of call Ed Hochuli made when Harrington was a QB for the Lions when they played the Cowboys a few years ago. This play is about 1 minute into the video.

You must have Real Player to view the video. This site will not allow me to post the video here, but you can go to NFL85.com & look under Pictures/Videos & go to the second page & about 3/4's of the way down click on 6 Days To Sunday Part 1.

Becky

[SethPDX]

Apparently two people here have an ally in Jason Whitlock, who wrote a Fox Sports column today discussing the terrible officiating. If a sportswriter says it, it must be true!

Amazing and sad that with everything going on in this game he uses most of his column to bash the officials. Not all that surprising, though.

[Adam]

I normally like Whitlock, too. Unfortunate.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SethPDX

Apparently two people here have an ally in Jason Whitlock, who wrote a Fox Sports column today discussing the terrible officiating. If a sportswriter says it, it must be true!

Amazing and sad that with everything going on in this game he uses most of his column to bash the officials. Not all that surprising, though.

Jason Whitlock is usually a dumbazz no matter what he is talking about. He went to HS with Jeff George and he thought he was the greatest QB ever.

Always consider the source.

Peace

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Jason Whitlock is usually a dumbazz no matter what he is talking about. He went to HS with Jeff George and he thought he was the greatest QB ever.

Always consider the source.

Peace

Yeah he is an idiot. Check out this quote from the article....."For the Cardinals, it was 11-on-17 for much of the evening." Either he doesn't know that there are 7 officials on the field or he thinks that 11+7=17.

[fljet]

Originally Posted by SethPDX

Apparently two people here have an ally in Jason Whitlock, who wrote a Fox Sports column today discussing the terrible officiating. If a sportswriter says it, it must be true!

Amazing and sad that with everything going on in this game he uses most of his column to bash the officials. Not all that surprising, though.

just about every website in the country wrote an article about the lopsided calls, Yahoo had it as their main news topic last night. You should know since you live in Portland and live most of your live indoors or wearing a rain coat.