Ravens/Steelers game

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

They got it right. This was a play downfield, not helmet to helmet contact on a QB, not spearing and McGahee lowered his head, not the defender.

You're clueless.

What does it matter if it was a hit on a QB or not? They routinely penalize contact against QBs that is VERY minor, but let this stuff go?

I knew this thread would get a rise out of the "Must defend NFL referees at all costs" crowd.

Football officials are clueless.

Edit: For the record, I'm not a fan of either of these teams. I just think NFL officiating is probably the worst of any major sport.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zm1283

What does it matter if it was a hit on a QB or not? They routinely penalize contact against QBs that is VERY minor, but let this stuff go?

QBs are considered in a more venerable position and the marquee players of the game to those in the NFL. And the competition committee has made it clear they want to keep QBs from getting hit unnecessarily or when they are easily hurt. People do not want to see the Indianapolis Colts without Payton Manning or the NE Patriots with Tom Brady. BTW, kickers are protected in ways that running backs or wide receivers are not. So to compare what happens to a running back running a route over the middle is kind of silly to what happens in other positions is silly. You do not have to have much contact on a kicker and have a personal foul. Should we start comparing offensive lineman and how they contact defensive players and how they cut block them? I see more linemen that cannot walk straight after they retire than I do a QB, but cut blocking is a very acceptable practice and rules allow for such contact.

Originally Posted by zm1283

I knew this thread would get a rise out of the "Must defend NFL referees at all costs" crowd.

I think many of us have actually been in the same situation and seen players do things that we were not sure about, with fewer officials on the field. And if you knew anything, we do not sit here and defend officials just to defend them. But the play was not clear in a couple of replays and you needed the right angle to conclude that there was any helmet contact with another helmet. I saw the play at full speed and thought the contact was all shoulder (which is not illegal in this play).

Originally Posted by zm1283

Football officials are clueless.

Edit: For the record, I'm not a fan of either of these teams. I just think NFL officiating is probably the worst of any major sport.

Then get your sorry azz out there and do a better job. Since it is so damn easy you should be out there. I bet you would be peeing down your leg if confronted with the very same play. Just like it is easy here to talk about how bad this player is or that player is, but if put in the very same situation you would not know what to do with yourself.

Peace

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Football officials are clueless.

Edit: For the record, I'm not a fan of either of these teams. I just think NFL officiating is probably the worst of any major sport.

As of earlier this year 97.64% of the downs in NFL games this season were officiated correctly. There are 7 officials on the field, on average one of them makes a mistake every 42.4 downs. In some games the entire crew is graded out at 100%.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by LDUB

As of earlier this year 97.64% of the downs in NFL games this season were officiated correctly. There are 7 officials on the field, on average one of them makes a mistake every 42.4 downs. In some games the entire crew is graded out at 100%.

And it must be noted that they are not graded on calls they are involved in, they are graded on mechanics, positioning, dead ball coverage and a lot of things none of us could imagine. So the play that goes to the other end of the field that you are not looking at, you are judged on that play too.

Welcome to the NFL Rookie.

Peace

[Forksref]

If you talk to NFL officials, they will mention that the players they are officiating are very very quick/fast. They are required to make judgments about situations that occur a lot faster than what we we see with HS kids and college kids. The major difference in any sport as you move up levels is speed/quickness. We have 300 lb. linemen at the HS level but they are not nearly as athletic as NFL guys.

I think fanboy should attempt to be out on the field with 22 of these guys moving at the same time.

Originally Posted by Forksref

I think fanboy should attempt to be out on the field with 22 of these guys moving at the same time.

I second that...as long as he's wearing pads and standing in the neutral zone

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by LDUB

As of earlier this year 97.64% of the downs in NFL games this season were officiated correctly. There are 7 officials on the field, on average one of them makes a mistake every 42.4 downs. In some games the entire crew is graded out at 100%.

You don't expect this chap's opinion to respond to facts, do you? Axe grinding never does.

[daggo66]

Originally Posted by zm1283

What does it matter if it was a hit on a QB or not? They routinely penalize contact against QBs that is VERY minor, but let this stuff go?

I knew this thread would get a rise out of the "Must defend NFL referees at all costs" crowd.

Football officials are clueless.

Edit: For the record, I'm not a fan of either of these teams. I just think NFL officiating is probably the worst of any major sport.

It matters because of something called the "RULES". Officials can only flag things that are against the RULES, not just because something went bad for your team.

[pmarz1]

Originally Posted by daggo66

It matters because of something called the "RULES". Officials can only flag things that are against the RULES, not just because something went bad for your team.

13. A tackler using his helmet to butt, spear, or ram an opponent.

14. Any player who uses the top of his helmet unnecessarily.

These are two rules infractions resulting in a 15 yard penatly. The replay clearly shows Clark leads with the crown of his helmet, not his shoulder as some here would like to believe, striking MaGahee between the front and side of his helmet. Those two rules apply to defensive players for those of you wondering why runningbacks/recievers can lead with their helmet and defenders can't.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by pmarz1

13. A tackler using his helmet to butt, spear, or ram an opponent.

14. Any player who uses the top of his helmet unnecessarily.

These are two rules infractions resulting in a 15 yard penatly. The replay clearly shows Clark leads with the crown of his helmet, not his shoulder as some here would like to believe, striking MaGahee between the front and side of his helmet. Those two rules apply to defensive players for those of you wondering why runningbacks/recievers can lead with their helmet and defenders can't.

Two posts and you know of JR's objectivity? LOL.

Directly to your point, read the rule you quoted above and explain how the phrase "any player" applies only to defenders.

Specifically about the play in question - the tackler lead with his shoulder. The fact that there was helmet to helmet contact does not necessarily mean there was a foul. Not all helmet contact is unavoidable. Which, by the way, is why players wear helmets.

[waltjp]

Aren't there fan sites where you guys can go and blame someone for your loss?

[pmarz1]

Originally Posted by waltjp

Two posts and you know of JR's objectivity? LOL.

Directly to your point, read the rule you quoted above and explain how the phrase "any player" applies only to defenders.

Specifically about the play in question - the tackler lead with his shoulder. The fact that there was helmet to helmet contact does not necessarily mean there was a foul. Not all helmet contact is unavoidable. Which, by the way, is why players wear helmets.

because this specific rules applies to tackling maybe??? last time i checked, the defense was responsible for that. As I posted earlier, watch the replay then come back and tell me the defender does not lead with the crown of his helmet and makes contact with his helmet before his shoulder. FYI, the objectivity comment relates to all the Raven/Steeler fans here, not just JR's.

Originally Posted by pmarz1

because this specific rules applies to tackling maybe??? last time i checked, the defense was responsible for that. As I posted earlier, watch the replay then come back and tell me the defender does not lead with the crown of his helmet and makes contact with his helmet before his shoulder. FYI, the objectivity comment relates to all the Raven/Steeler fans here, not just JR's.

Hmmmm...so what do you call it when the kickoff or punt coverage team brings down the ball carrier? What do you call it when the offense has to stop the thief who intercepted the QB's errant throw?

[wwcfoa43]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

Hmmmm...so what do you call it when the kickoff or punt coverage team brings down the ball carrier? What do you call it when the offense has to stop the thief who intercepted the QB's errant throw?

Since you are trying to split hairs, in NFL rules the teams in possession is the offense and their opponents are the defense so in your two examples it is the defense who is bringing down the ball carrier and stopping the thief.

[pmarz1]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

Hmmmm...so what do you call it when the kickoff or punt coverage team brings down the ball carrier? What do you call it when the offense has to stop the thief who intercepted the QB's errant throw?

ummm, are kickoff or punt coverage teams considered to be playing offense or defense? Once a ball is intercepted, is the team that was just intercepted still playing offense???? Is this concept beyond your mental capabilities??? Comments from refs like yourself kind of prove my point that the game is well beyond your mental abilities and it is time for leagues to allow a bit more technology into the games to assist the poor state of officiating.