Where to enforce?

[Bob M.]

Originally Posted by kdf5

If you can find one kid in the several million or so playing football with that much awareness and rules knowledge in the middle of a play like that I want to meet him.

REPLY: And if you can find that kid, he hopefully has the smarts to purposely fumble it backwards so that it can't be interpreted as an illegal forward pass.

[ajmc]

No matter how careful, or smart, the player is he should understand that footballs have a habit of bouncing in strange ways, and the guarantee of recovering a fumble is never better than 50%. Seems like a prohibitive risk, to avoid losing 10 yards.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by ajmc

No matter how careful, or smart, the player is he should understand that footballs have a habit of bouncing in strange ways, and the guarantee of recovering a fumble is never better than 50%. Seems like a prohibitive risk, to avoid losing 10 yards.

But he doesn't need to recover it as B has unclean hands.
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[fljet]

there is a few nfl qb who may have the presence of mind and the physical skill to pull that off, but I doubt there are too many kids who would have thought to do that

[insatty]

All action from the snap until a pass is complete or incomplete is considered a loose-ball play. (10-3-1-b-Note) The basic spot for loose-ball plays is the previous spot. (10-4-2-b) Thus, this defensive-holding call is enforced ten yards from the previous spot. NCAA is the same result because the pass didn't cross the neutral zone. Had the pass crossed the neutral zone, then 10 yards from previous spot and automatic first down in NCAA. (9-3-4-b)

[kdf5]

Originally Posted by insatty

All action from the snap until a pass is complete or incomplete is considered a loose-ball play. (10-3-1-b-Note) The basic spot for loose-ball plays is the previous spot. (10-4-2-b) Thus, this defensive-holding call is enforced ten yards from the previous spot. NCAA is the same result because the pass didn't cross the neutral zone. Had the pass crossed the neutral zone, then 10 yards from previous spot and automatic first down in NCAA. (9-3-4-b)

I agree with what you said but if you are talking about the original play, there was no pass.

[insatty]

Kdf5: Whether there was a pass or not, it was still a pass play (NCAA)/loose-ball play (NFHS). Consider this play: QB drops back to pass and primary receiver is pulled down by defender; QB is sacked. Enforce DH from previous spot because this was a pass play/loose-ball play.