Where to enforce?

Mike51 · #1 (**permalink**) Thu Nov 06, 2008, 10:28pm

NFHS 1st and ten from A30. TE is held trying to get off the LOS. QB is eventually tackled at the A20, loss of ten yards. Where would the penalty for holding by B be enforced from? End of run or previous spot?

TIA

kdf5 · #2 (**permalink**) Thu Nov 06, 2008, 11:09pm

Fouls by the defense are always enforced from the basic spot which in this case is the end of the run. By coincidence you end up 1st and 10 again. Had the QB fumbled behind the LOS, you would have gone back to the previous spot to enforce.

JugglingReferee · #3 (**permalink**) Thu Nov 06, 2008, 11:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by kdf5

Fouls by the defense are always enforced from the basic spot which in this case is the end of the run. By coincidence you end up 1st and 10 again. Had the QB fumbled behind the LOS, you would have gone back to the previous spot to enforce.

There was a thread earlier that says that if A knows the flag is against B, to purposely fumble in order to change the enforcement spot of the penalty.

kdf5 · #4 (**permalink**) Fri Nov 07, 2008, 08:32am

If you can find one kid in the several million or so playing football with that much awareness and rules knowledge in the middle of a play like that I want to meet him.

Bob M. · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Nov 07, 2008, 11:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by kdf5

If you can find one kid in the several million or so playing football with that much awareness and rules knowledge in the middle of a play like that I want to meet him.

REPLY: And if you can find that kid, he hopefully has the smarts to purposely fumble it backwards so that it can't be interpreted as an illegal forward pass.

ajmc · #6 (**permalink**) Fri Nov 07, 2008, 12:00pm

No matter how careful, or smart, the player is he should understand that footballs have a habit of bouncing in strange ways, and the guarantee of recovering a fumble is never better than 50%. Seems like a prohibitive risk, to avoid losing 10 yards.

JugglingReferee · #7 (**permalink**) Thu Nov 06, 2008, 11:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike51

1st and ten from A30. TE is held trying to get off the LOS. QB is eventually tackled at the A20, loss of ten yards. Where would the penalty for holding by B be enforced from? End of run or previous spot?

TIA

CANADIAN RULING:

Holding is a minor foul and if committed prior to the first down, is applied from PLS. Result: Team A 1D/10 @ A-40.

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