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[Warrenkicker]

Perhaps I am seeing it differently than others but I think that K20 turned just prior to the contact. I see his shoulders parallel to the sideline while tracking the returner. R2 coming up to him from the side when the returner cut back inside. This turned K20's shoulders from parallel to the sideline to about a 45 degree angle to the sideline when the contact occurred. I know contact from that angle will get a lot of flags at the high school level though I might not agree with that call.

So I don't think that the call is there even with none of the surrounding situation. However I feel K20 turned his "back" to the blocker after the blocker was committed to his charge. Thus I feel there is no foul no matter what you think of the location of the contact.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Warrenkicker

Perhaps I am seeing it differently than others but I think that K20 turned just prior to the contact. I see his shoulders parallel to the sideline while tracking the returner. R2 coming up to him from the side when the returner cut back inside. This turned K20's shoulders from parallel to the sideline to about a 45 degree angle to the sideline when the contact occurred. I know contact from that angle will get a lot of flags at the high school level though I might not agree with that call.

So I don't think that the call is there even with none of the surrounding situation. However I feel K20 turned his "back" to the blocker after the blocker was committed to his charge. Thus I feel there is no foul no matter what you think of the location of the contact.

I had a spirited discussion with an experienced official a few years back on a video that was shown in an association meeting. There was a block flagged as an IBB that definitely was not between the shoulder blades. He said it was more to the back than to the front and should be flagged "for safety". I disagree with that myself, but can verify that this mentality sure does exist. And of course, this block will always generate moans from the sidelines

[JasonTX]

Why is it that there are some opinions that a block in the back is a "safety" foul, but it's only a 10 yard penalty. If it were a true "safety" foul it would be a 15 yard penalty like the others are.

[Jimmie24]

It is the same as the two different face mask penalties. The rules committee separated clip and block in the back. They wanted the block in the back called more so they lessened that penalty.

[bossman72]

For those of you who would not call this BIB based on philosophy of not affecting the play, what would you call if the punt was a touchback, but during the punt R blocks a K player in the back?

I posted a thread on this a while ago and the vast majority of you agree to flag this. I find the original play very similar. In my example, the BIB did not affect the play, but everyone said to call it. Why would this play be any different?

For reference:
Philosophy

[FeetBallRef]

Originally Posted by bossman72

for those of you who would not call this bib based on philosophy of not affecting the play, what would you call if the punt was a touchback, but during the punt r blocks a k player in the back?

I posted a thread on this a while ago and the vast majority of you agree to flag this. I find the original play very similar. In my example, the bib did not affect the play, but everyone said to call it. Why would this play be any different?

For reference:
Philosophy

great counterpoint !!!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bossman72

For those of you who would not call this BIB based on philosophy of not affecting the play, what would you call if the punt was a touchback, but during the punt R blocks a K player in the back?

I posted a thread on this a while ago and the vast majority of you agree to flag this. I find the original play very similar. In my example, the BIB did not affect the play, but everyone said to call it. Why would this play be any different?

For reference:
Philosophy

The problem with this play and the video, it does not look clear this was a foul. I would only call a foul if I am "sure" there was a block in the back. If I am not sure, then I would pass on the play.

And if you have a TB, that is a different set of circumstances. But if the play was a ways away from the action and it was not clear, I would pass on that as well. That has always worked for me.

Peace