Horse Collar
 

NCAA. Did anyone see the horse collar call in the Michigan vs. Notre Dame game? Did that qualify? He didn't pull the runner down; just sort of a grab and release. Thanks.......

Did not see it.

But as described that would not apply. Must be grab and immediately pull down.

He did go down, but not immediately. I had my questions about the call too. Then again there is where some judgment comes into play.

Peace

I watched the game and am a Michigan fan. I thought it was a horse collar. The tackler took down the ball carrier by the back of the jersey.

my understanding is "back of the jersey" is not the definition of horse collar.

on another note, is there a Fed rule for horsecollar?

No FED rule but sure it will be coming someday

No horse Collar in NFHS.

For NCAA:

All players are prohibited from grabbing the inside back collar of the
shoulder pads or jersey, or the inside collar of the side of the shoulder
pads or jersey, and immediately pulling the runner down. This does not
apply to a runner who is inside the tackle box or to a quarterback who is
in the pocket.

thanks guys...I told that to a coach last Friday night (there wasn't a horsecollar rule in HS football) and he didn't believe me...I tried looking and couldn't find anything...thanks for the info.

Ever since the NFL rule came into effect we have been hearing it at the youth level (NFHS Rules). We explain it at the beginning of the season in front of all the coaches, but it doesn't matter, it still becomes an issue. Recently we had a coach complain, so we sent an email to the heads of all of the organizations involved. There were a couple of replies, but none that could match the following from one of the coaches to the others:

Well, at the very least, your parents can call it right. I had a parent complain that his kid was "Whores Hollered" tackled.
When I asked what that was, he seriously replied, "You know like in the NFL. You grab 'em by the neck like you would to make a whore holler."

I'm not even going to say what state the father recently moved from.

I just wondered;
a. Where he'd heard that peculiar term before, and,
b. How often he'd employed such a move.

Thank you for this emphasis. There will be and has been widespread misunderstanding of this rule. The confusion tends to be mistakenly applying the criteria for a facemask foul to the horse collar penalty.

I saw it. The runner was pulled down as he went out of bounds, but it wasn't clear to me whether that counts as immediate.

So if the coaches are so overwhelmingly (Or are they?) in favor of such a rule, why doesn't their league adopt it? If they're Pop Warner they can't, but if they're AYF or just plain independent they can.

Robert

Mine did in their amendments to the national rules which otherwise just deals with youth stuff like ball carrier weight etc.

In other words, a local group who simply feels they know better than a national organization. Typical.