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Illegal Forward Pass
My first varsity game as a WH last night. QB rolls to the right, I move parallel to the line with him. He then starts running forward and then passes the ball. I moved forward with him as he moved forward. The QB was close to the line, so I bag the spot. My U has also bagged the spot, about 1/2 a yard farther than me. He threw the flag, and I waved it off.
My question: Do I, as the R, have any business making this call, or should I have left it completely up to my U? Thanks - just trying to learn my new position.
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I'd ask someone in your area what your mechanics on the situation is for your group. Around here, it's the R's call all the way. He may get help from the U, maybe even from the wings. But it's the R's call, the U should not be throwing the flag on this one.
What I do is, as I'm following the QB I take a snap shot of where he is when he releases the ball. Don't worry about the line yet, just get to that spot. In most cases you can just finish the play there, because your primary responsibility remains the QB and the ball is downfield with the players usually moving there too. Then just look to the box to see where your line is. If you are over enough, drop your flag, there's nothing wrong with a slow flag for this call. If for some reason you have to move off the spot, just look before you go. |
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This is my third year working as R in HS. My former position was umpire. I feel that the referee should own this call and the umpire should provide back up in case the referee did not see it. This is such a huge call that the crew must get it right. The umpire has to watch for inelligbles downfield and he must turn on short passes over the middle.
As R, I trail the QB on the play, then I sprint to the exact location of his feet when he releases the ball. I will throw a flag or not. I don't bean bag these plays since the bean loses precision anyway if you toss it a couple of yards. |
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The side guy on the same side the passer rolled to should have this foul, or the R if the side guy was downfield. Never the U, unless the R 1K% missed it.
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In all my years of officiating I have never heard of the R having this call. He's probably 4-5 yards BEHIND the QB while the U at a minimum (and the HL or LJ if they are on the LOS reading a scramble) have a perfect view of this. The ultimate responsibility is the U on a 5-man crew.
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Rarely, when there is more than 1 bean bag, do they ever wind up on the exact same spot. IFP is never a quick flag, and the Umpire should have observed that other flag and sought information BEFORE unleashing his flag.
However, this is still just another situation where one official saw, or thought he saw something, and another official saw something different. I hope there was a serious discussion between both officials before a final decision was made. If one official is adamant that he saw something, that the other official may not have seen, or saw somewhat differently, you have to go with what was actually seen over what may not have been. IFP is usually a "big" penalty and either way, the crew needs to yield to whomever is the most adamant about what he actually saw. |
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I agree with MikeL - R needs to take charge just as he describes. The old days of R staying in the middle of the field and never moving is over. He has to be mobile enough to cover this play! I made a huge assumption on this play - I am assuming the original read was pass - not option. After re-reading the post, I could not tell.
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Here in the UK, our mechanics have been the same for a number of years...
6/7 man crew - LJ stays at LOS till pass is thrown. He takes the Illegal pass call. he has the down box opposite him and he is in a great position to make the call. 4/5 man crew - Ump moves up to LOS on passes. He takes the Illegal pass call. If it is between U and the down box then flag it when you see it. If not, bag it and check it after the play is over, then flag it. We feel U is in a better position to see this than R who is trailing the play. Yes the U has other duties on passes (ineligibles, inside-out help on complete/incomplete) but clearly the illegal pass would take priority.
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I was probably 5-8 yards behind the QB when he released the ball.
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