Illegal Kicks

[boboman316]

B recieved the ball with clean hands so they are going to keep it, because they ended up with the ball. B is guilty of illegal batting (kicking) which is a 15 yard penalty. The penalty happened at the A's 45, which was the end of the first run, and the end of the second run was the 50. Because the penalty occurred during a loose ball, it should be enforced from the previous spot (?). Would that be where B intercepted, or would it be A's 45, or the 50. I'm unsure. But if I were in the heat of the moment, I would enforce the penalty from the 50. Making it 1st/10 for B from B's 35.

[kdf5]

Originally Posted by boboman316

Because the penalty occurred during a loose ball, it should be enforced from the previous spot (?).

ART. 1 . . . A loose-ball play is action during:
a. A free kick or scrimmage kick other than post-scrimmage kick fouls.
b. A legal forward pass.
c. A backward pass (including the snap), an illegal kick or fumble made by A
from in or behind the neutral zone prior to a change of team possession.
d. The run or runs which precedes such legal or illegal kick, legal forward
pass, backward pass or fumble.

Don't confuse a "loose ball" with a "loose ball play". There can be multiple runs during a play but there can only be one loose ball play and that will happen at the beginning of the down. You do have to wait for the play to develop before you can tell where the loose ball play ends and the subsequent running play starts if there is one. Once the ball was intercepted you have a running play and ABO enforcement. It appears that the illegal kick occurred at the same yard line as the end of the run so it's enforced from there.

[ljdave]

Originally Posted by boboman316

B recieved the ball with clean hands so they are going to keep it, because they ended up with the ball. B is guilty of illegal batting (kicking) which is a 15 yard penalty. The penalty happened at the A's 45, which was the end of the first run, and the end of the second run was the 50. Because the penalty occurred during a loose ball, it should be enforced from the previous spot (?). Would that be where B intercepted, or would it be A's 45, or the 50. I'm unsure. But if I were in the heat of the moment, I would enforce the penalty from the 50. Making it 1st/10 for B from B's 35.

If you're following proper mechanics, we didn't throw a beanbag at the spot of the interception, so we don't know where that is. Others have posted the correct ruling; it will be 1st and 10 for B at their 40 y.l.

One important thing to note: I read the first post to say that the y.l. where possession was lost and where the foul occurred are both the 45 y.l. If the foul had been at say the 47 y.l., we still enforce from the 45 y.l. ("Spot where the related run ends" -- 10-4-4). If the foul had occurred behind the point where possession was lost, say the 42 y.l., we flag that spot and enforce from the 42 (All-But-One Principle).