a11 Offense - 11 potentially eligible receivers

[KurtBryan]

Dear BktballRef,

You simply asked me in your earlier post above how many people had contacted us about it?

Just being honest and thank you.

Kurt

[BktBallRef]

Yes sir, and that's exactly my point.

We won't settle anything here. But good luck and Marry Christmas.

[RMR]

Coach:

Does California (you are in Calif. right?) not break football schools into classifications A, AA, AAA, AAAA, etc?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by KurtBryan

Dear BktballRef,

You simply asked me in your earlier post above how many people had contacted us about it?

Just being honest and thank you.

Kurt

That all sounds great and wonderful but now you have highlighting a flaw in the rules that are currently on the books. I would not be surprised if individuals take your claims and change the rule. You even posted this on the NF website to highlight the issue with the rule and how this offense is so great. And I do believe that people from the NF read some of these boards for rules situations so they can get an idea of what might be going on throughout the country and make recommendations based on possible rules issues.

Let me fill you in on another little secret, the issues of steroids are local issues and nothing the NF has jurisdiction over. My state has already taken some action as it relates to steroids and might institute some kind of testing.

Peace

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

My state has already taken some action as it relates to steroids and might institute some kind of testing.

NJ has been testing for 2 years.

[bossman72]

kurt,

for your offense, do you have 5 guys with "lineman type" bodies in there, or do you have 11 skill guys in there at all times?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by bossman72

kurt,

for your offense, do you have 5 guys with "lineman type" bodies in there, or do you have 11 skill guys in there at all times?

So O linemen don't have any skill?

[KurtBryan]

Dear Officials:

(I had to copy most of this from my post on another forum cause I am dealing with many requests and it saves time)

* About the OL question. Yes, we use OL in the Middle Box (3) players much of the time, TE's too. And, if some OL do not play that much in the A-11, we also switched them to DL and LB, they loved it and it made us even better too.


**Over the past week, I have received some very nice emails and phone calls from your Officiating Peers nationwide who wish to remain Anonymous (for now) but are actively viewing and/or participating in this online forum and others forums on the net.

Please let me summarize their key points as they have asked me to do, fair enough? Some of this will be familair ground.

1. High School football rules do not have to be the exact same as NCAA or NFL, never have and never will. For public high schools, talent level is a crap shoot from year to year.

2. The A-11 Offense is a fair and just innovation of the game, and has already undergone diligent review prior to this season

3. Thousands of high school offensive football teams nationwide already spread out the Defense by their alignment, and then shift/cover/uncover Eligible Numbered WR/TE/RB to pressure and force the Defense to respect "potential threats downfield."

4. The A-11 does the same thing as those other offensive systems who operate as above in terms of making it hard on the Defense to determine who is or is not Eligible on a given play

5. The A-11 does not give Piedmont an unfair advantage over other teams. Piedmont's 7 - 4 overall record in 2007 is direct testimony to that. A good season but not dominating by any means.

6. The actual Officiating Crews who worked Piedmont's games in 2007 handled everything fine in various parts of California, with or without advance knowledge of the A-11. The game is ever-changing and it is up to the Officials to adapt

7. And, this point has been stressed by several coaches and Officials who have contacted us, and is the primary reason the A-11 was developed in the first place.....It gives smaller, (espescially) public schools a better chance to compete vs. the larger schools and/or private schools they must play, which makes the games more competitive and is better for high school athletics.

8. Lastly, the A-11 was well received on many different fronts which is good for the game, while understanding not everybody would be happy about it. That is a fact of life.

Thanks again.

Kurt

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by KurtBryan

1. High School football rules do not have to be the exact same as NCAA or NFL, never have and never will. For public high schools, talent level is a crap shoot from year to year.

You are right, but often the rules do change to what happens at the other levels. That is just how it works. Welcome to the world of HS sports. When the pro and college rules try something and it works, they tend to bring it down to the HS level.

Originally Posted by KurtBryan

2. The A-11 Offense is a fair and just innovation of the game, and has already undergone diligent review prior to this season

I really do not know what that means. And that is why the fumbleruskie was outlawed too (and other plays like the "where is my ball play").

Originally Posted by KurtBryan

3. Thousands of high school offensive football teams nationwide already spread out the Defense by their alignment, and then shift/cover/uncover Eligible Numbered WR/TE/RB to pressure and force the Defense to respect "potential threats downfield."

You are right, but it often does not work very well. Most of the successful HS programs where I live mostly run the football or run an option style or wing type offense. It does not mean there are not some successful pass offenses, they just need a good QB to run it or it is a flop.

Originally Posted by KurtBryan

4. The A-11 does the same thing as those other offensive systems who operate as above in terms of making it hard on the Defense to determine who is or is not Eligible on a given play

Actually it does not. You are using one part of the rule to confuse the defense in knowing who is going to do what. Whether you like it or not that might be seen as unfair and might be soon outlawed. Keep pumping it up and it will soon be outlawed.

Originally Posted by KurtBryan

5. The A-11 does not give Piedmont an unfair advantage over other teams. Piedmont's 7 - 4 overall record in 2007 is direct testimony to that. A good season but not dominating by any means.

It might be unfair, but it is legal. And the two things do not always have to match. Once again, it might be outlawed soon if someone feels this is a potential problem.

Originally Posted by KurtBryan

6. The actual Officiating Crews who worked Piedmont's games in 2007 handled everything fine in various parts of California, with or without advance knowledge of the A-11. The game is ever-changing and it is up to the Officials to adapt

The issue is not just about the officials, it is if the rules committee feels there is an unbalance in favor of the offense.

Originally Posted by KurtBryan

7. And, this point has been stressed by several coaches and Officials who have contacted us, and is the primary reason the A-11 was developed in the first place.....It gives smaller, (especially) public schools a better chance to compete vs. the larger schools and/or private schools they must play, which makes the games more competitive and is better for high school athletics.

Just because coaches have asked you about it, does not mean it will not be made illegal.

Originally Posted by KurtBryan

8. Lastly, the A-11 was well received on many different fronts which is good for the game, while understanding not everybody would be happy about it. That is a fact of life.

Once again, this is not something you get to decide. And if you keep talking about it on this website, someone might be trying to find a way to make it illegal. You already have one coach complaining on another site about it. Just because coaches think it is great; do not be surprised if some are behind the scenes contacting their local people to outlaw this offense as it relates to the "scrimmage kick" portion of the rules.

Peace