a11 Offense - 11 potentially eligible receivers

[cmathews]

Originally Posted by Bob M.

REPLY: For the Fed types who may wonder what TxMike meant by the 'numbering issue,' the NCAA recognizes a scrimmage kick formation (and the numbering exception that goes along with it) only when it's "...obvious that a kick might be attempted." Therefore, in general this offense couldn't be used on 1st, 2nd, or 3rd downs in NCAA.

Mike, I watched the YouTube video provided by the coach and, even though you could not read the numbers, I also saw mugwumps on just about every play. I feel that their strategy is to bring them as close to the LOS as the officials will let them just to add to the uncertainty of who's eligible.

Another point about the NCAA is that once the center is over the ball, and the numbering exception has been recognized ie numbers 45 and 43 being in what would be normal guard positions, and 32 and 87 being in the tackle positions and "covered" by the players on the end of the line, any shift that "exposes" any of these players results in an illegal formation...once they are part of the exception (not having 5 plyers numbered 50-79), they remain ineligible....

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by TXMike

Bottom line, will not work in NCAA because of the numbering issue. And if your Federation chiefs have any sense they will act in the offseason to incorporate a similar numbering rule to the NCAA to shut down this BS. Anyone who studies the history of American football knows how this violates the spirit of the rules. I am also surprised at how apparently defensive coaches where this team plays have not managed to figure out how easy it is to defend. In this video they have kids playing "pass defense" on clearly ineligible (by position) receivers.

Agreed. If this thing becomes very widespread, I believe they'll make it illegal as well.

Originally Posted by Bob M.

Mike, I watched the YouTube video provided by the coach and, even though you could not read the numbers, I also saw mugwumps on just about every play. I feel that their strategy is to bring them as close to the LOS as the officials will let them just to add to the uncertainty of who's eligible.

That is exactly their strategy.

Originally Posted by cmathews

Another point about the NCAA is that once the center is over the ball, and the numbering exception has been recognized ie numbers 45 and 43 being in what would be normal guard positions, and 32 and 87 being in the tackle positions and "covered" by the players on the end of the line, any shift that "exposes" any of these players results in an illegal formation...once they are part of the exception (not having 5 plyers numbered 50-79), they remain ineligible....

The problem is they're not assuming "normal guard positions" until just before the snap.

[Forksref]

I hope it's made illegal before it gets widespread. It would be a nightmare for officials. Can you imagine if they ran no-huddle with this?

We already have no numbering requirements in our 9-man ball, but then again, it's only 9 players to worry about.

Gotta give 'em a C for creativity, though.

[Bob M.]

Originally Posted by cmathews

Another point about the NCAA is that once the center is over the ball, and the numbering exception has been recognized ie numbers 45 and 43 being in what would be normal guard positions, and 32 and 87 being in the tackle positions and "covered" by the players on the end of the line, any shift that "exposes" any of these players results in an illegal formation...once they are part of the exception (not having 5 plyers numbered 50-79), they remain ineligible....

REPLY: That's correct...I had forgotten to mention that. In Fed, just like NCAA, anyone lining up in or shifting to an ineligible position does remain ineligible throughout the down. Only difference is in Fed, no illegal formation.