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Old Mon Oct 22, 2007, 12:23am
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Intentional Grounding Blunder

Made this mistake Friday. A is pressured and throws the ball away. After the action on the QB is resolved I look to my linesman for help. He shakes his head no. I take that to mean "no this is not IG" I start to head back and the BJ runs up to tell me that their was no eligible in the area. The Linesman agrees and I ............finally...........throw the flag...........about 25 seconds after the conclusion of the play. My popularity among A's coaches diminished dramatically.

Any thoughts as to how to avoid this problem. Do any of you guys have a signal to the R that would would indicate the lack of an eligible in the area.
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Old Mon Oct 22, 2007, 12:54am
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We've always used Thumb Up, Thumb Down.

Thumb Up: I (flanker) have a receiver in the area...your call Mr. Referee.

Thumb Down: No receiver near me Mr. Referee. Looks like IG to me
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Old Mon Oct 22, 2007, 06:26am
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Made this mistake Friday. A is pressured and throws the ball away. After the action on the QB is resolved I look to my linesman for help. He shakes his head no. I take that to mean "no this is not IG" I start to head back and the BJ runs up to tell me that their was no eligible in the area. The Linesman agrees and I ............finally...........throw the flag...........about 25 seconds after the conclusion of the play. My popularity among A's coaches diminished dramatically.

Any thoughts as to how to avoid this problem. Do any of you guys have a signal to the R that would would indicate the lack of an eligible in the area.
CANADIAN MECHANIC:

We don't restrict the official permitted to throw an IG flag to the Referee.

Before you ask: yup, it works.
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Old Mon Oct 22, 2007, 11:01am
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Better late than never. Common with IG.

Your linesman should have come to you to tell you what he had instead of shaking his head. Your Backjudge gets an upgrade for making sure the correct call was made.
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Old Mon Oct 22, 2007, 03:46pm
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Our mechanic for wings--

If their is a receiver in the area, point to him. If there is no receiver in the area, rush to the referee (assuming there is no extracurricular activities that need to be watched).

Despite this we did get into a little trouble once. QB throws it away. HL says and shakes head "no" mening it was not IG. R took it to mean no receiver in the area. We then had to 'eat' the flag.
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Old Mon Oct 22, 2007, 08:01pm
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Any thoughts as to how to avoid this problem.
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Old Mon Oct 22, 2007, 08:54pm
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Did he throw the ball incomplete on purpose? Doesn't matter if there was a receiver in the area. Call it! Read Casebook 7-5-2 Sit C Even if there is a receiver in the area if the QB threw thew ball intentionally incomplete(uncatchable) to prevent a sack.
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Old Mon Oct 22, 2007, 10:19pm
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Did he throw the ball incomplete on purpose?
How do we know intent?
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Old Mon Oct 22, 2007, 10:56pm
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How do we know intent?
I am suddenly having dejavu from the NFHS forum!
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Old Mon Oct 22, 2007, 11:16pm
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I am suddenly having dejavu from the NFHS forum!
Me too.

Seriously, just have to have your wings come to you if they have no one in the area and you drop a late flag. You should be at the location the pass so you know where to drop the flag.
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Old Tue Oct 23, 2007, 08:39am
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It is called INTENTIONAL grounding, the rule says you are to judge intent!
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Old Tue Oct 23, 2007, 09:00am
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verbal comunications can not or never will be replaced by singals in most circumstances.
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Old Tue Oct 23, 2007, 02:16pm
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Me too.

Seriously, just have to have your wings come to you if they have no one in the area and you drop a late flag. You should be at the location the pass so you know where to drop the flag.

That was another problem. After my wing shook his head I walked away. Realizing my mistake I made a best guess of the pass location. All in all it was a pretty avoidable mistake that we all learned from. Thanks for all the comments.
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Old Tue Oct 23, 2007, 02:29pm
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It is called INTENTIONAL grounding, the rule says you are to judge intent!
BJ, I want you to take a one year sobatical from coaching, become an R for varsity FB and see how many times you call it!! You would either slightly change your thinking, or call it more times in that year than the rest of us do in 5 years.

I'm not saying there is no judgment on intent, but you seem to think it should be called at least once a game!!
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Old Tue Oct 23, 2007, 09:09pm
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What I am saying is if a receiver is in the area, then I am not going to say he intentionally threw the ball away.
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