SCAB officials

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by TXMike

Permission????? Maybe y'all look at things different but down here, officials are independent contractors. We do not need "permission" from other independent contractors to do work for a contractee.

So if a league decides they want to use a different ambulance service than the one they have been using, the new ambulance service should ask the old one for "permission" ?????

Soooo...I can see there really isn't any problem in your mind with officials from Oklahoma coming in and doing high school playoffs or championship games in Texas.

We're independent contractors too. The difference is that we respect other independent contractors.

I guess I have been reading you wrongly.

Sad.

Jmo.....

[TXMike]

I could care less if Oklahoma officials come to Texas to work a PeeWee game.

And they would NEVER come to Texas to work a bigtime HS game involving only Texas teams. Coaches would not stand for it, nor would UIL. Both of whom realize they would be unable to get better officials than what they have at "home".

Guess that tells you the difference between Canada and Texas doesn't it?

[JRutledge]

It sounds to me like the officials that went up there did not know all the circumstances. Honestly, I would not expect them to know. When someone calls you to work a game, you do not ask a lot of questions. I have done games in other states and I did not know anything about why I was asked to work. We are not talking about major college or major pro sports here. We are talking about a local league that might not pay much money to work a single game. I think the term "scab" is a little misplaced in this thread.

Peace

[jjrye22]

Originally Posted by TXMike

I could care less if Oklahoma officials come to Texas to work a PeeWee game.

And they would NEVER come to Texas to work a bigtime HS game involving only Texas teams. Coaches would not stand for it, nor would UIL. Both of whom realize they would be unable to get better officials than what they have at "home".

Guess that tells you the difference between Canada and Texas doesn't it?

That seems a little harsh Mike and out of character for you. You are usually a very polite and respectful to other officials.

What if the organization structure is different in Ontario than in Texas - and no one is allowed to work a game unless assigned by the association (like what we have in Germany). If the association refuses than the leauge would look around for other possibilities. That does not seem too much of a strech.

Instead you seem to imply that the local officials are less able than out of country people brought in.

Maybe I misunderstood you.

James

[TXMike]

Someone else tried to compare the situation in Canada to a similar one in Texas. All I said was that was an impossibility for precisely the reason I stated. I don't know if the Canadian officials were any more or less able than the group that was imported but apparently the league did not see a problem as they went ahead and brought them in. Frankly, I can see the league's position. The official's group had apparently taken a strong stand against this coach. If those officials had been permitted to ref the game and made calls that went against that coach's team, don't you know what the outcry would be?? PAYBACK !!! PAYBACK!!! So perhaps to avoid even the hint of conflict of interest, they chose to go elsewhere.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by TXMike

Someone else tried to compare the situation in Canada to a similar one in Texas. All I said was that was an impossibility for precisely the reason I stated. I don't know if the Canadian officials were any more or less able than the group that was imported but apparently the league did not see a problem as they went ahead and brought them in. Frankly, I can see the league's position.

Instead of saying that it's an impossibility, why not answer the question? I would imagine that the Canadian officials thought that it was an impossibility also.

Let's try again....

1) You're sitting in your dressing room somewhere in Texas, waiting to do a championship game that you have been assigned to. Someone comes in and says "Fuggedaboutit, we brought in a crew from Mexico and they're gonna do the game." That's fine with you, right, because the league thought it was OK? And the fact that the Mexican crew has never worked with the Texas NCAA ruleset used in the game isn't relevant either?

2) Someone phones you up from Mexico and says "I'd like your crew to cross the border, drive 300 miles and do a couple of championship football games." Would you not inquire as to what the hell was going on? And if you were told that you were asked in because of a dispute with a Mexican officiating body, you'd go anyway? And if you're also told that you would have to use Mexican rules, which are completely different than the rules used in Texas, and you've never worked a game under those rules before, that's still not a problem either?

Just want to make sure that I know where you're coming from......

[TXMike]

1 - Never happen. No way I can answer as it is a hypothetical that is beyond comprehension. (There have been very isolated situations where multiple crews have shown up for games and as long as everyone got paid, no biggy.)

2 - I actually HAVE gone to Mexico to work games and I knew why I was asked.

Seems to me all you care about is "feelings". The Canadian guys' feelings were hurt. We all get our feelings hurt from time to time. Be a man and get over it.

If your association feels it was wronged then perhaps you should direct the league to look elsewhere for officials in the future.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by TXMike

Seems to me all you care about is "feelings". The Canadian guys' feelings were hurt. We all get our feelings hurt from time to time. Be a man and get over it.

If your association feels it was wronged then perhaps you should direct the league to look elsewhere for officials in the future.

Seems to me that you simply refuse to answer those questions. Fine with me. I kinda expected that from you. I'll refrain from posting any other opinions; no need for a flame war. Btw, "feelings" isn't a factor, unless you call respect for my fellow officials no matter where they are located "feelings".

2) Got nuthin' to do with my association. I don't have a horse in the race. My point was that, personally, I respect other officials groups and I absolutely refuse to get involved in another group's dispute. Ever. Doing so would make me feel like a.....scab. That holds true for all disputes of this nature, no matter where they occur. That's just me also.