SCAB officials

[JugglingReferee]

With all due respect TXMike, you are severley misinformed, through no fault of your own.

Why don't you tell me where you've read your information?

[JRutledge]

If you are going to start a thread, could you please give us some information? I have no idea what you are talking about or who all these people are.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you are going to start a thread, could you please give us some information? I have no idea what you are talking about or who all these people are.

From GOOGLE......

http://www.allcanadagridiron.com/php...forum.php?f=19

If you wade through everything and throw out the 90% fan nonsense, as near as I can tell:
- the OVFL is composed of 3 divisions--Peewee(12-14), Junior(14-16) and Senior(16-18). The divisions have over 20 teams each playing a summer schedule from cities all over the province of Ontario, Canada.
http://www.ovfootball.ca/
- Officials are supplied through a provincial officiating body called the OFOA, which is composed of regional officiating groups. OFOA supplies officials through the same type of model used by the SEC and other major D1 conferences. They recruit, select, train and assign all officials for all games played in that league
http://www.ofoa.ca/
- the Provincial official's group had a major problem with the actions of the coach of a Senior team against the game officials at a semi-final game. They wanted him suspended for the championship game for these actions.
- after fighting all week, an agreement was reached on Thursday that the coach wouldn't be on the field and that OFOA-assigned officials would now do all 3 games.
- The Peewee championship game on Friday night was officiated by OFOA officials.
- When OFOA officials showed up for the Junior championship game on Saturday afternoon, they were informed that their services would not be needed for either game, and that both games would be officiated by U.S. officials. They were.
- The team that was the center of the conflict lost anyway in the Senior championship game.
- if you can believe some of the rhetoric, there have also already been OVFL executive members and teams resigning from the league over this mess.

Bottom line....it's basically a labor dispute and it's not over yet. And....imo officials anywhere at this age level should not involve themselves in situations involving major problems encountered by a fellow officiating group. "Brothers Under The Stripes" simply don't do that sort of thing.

I don't know where the officials came from but the closest big cities in the U.S. would probably be either Buffalo or Detroit.

Btw this reinforces my vow to keep away from fan forums in any sport.

Enjoy, if you've got a strong stomach......

[ref18]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

- the Provincial official's group had a major problem with the actions of the coach of a Senior team against the game officials at a semi-final game. They wanted him suspended for the championship game for these actions.

I was an official on the game in question, and while I won't give any details about what happened, I will say that what he did warranted at least a suspension.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

imo officials anywhere at this age level should not involve themselves in situations involving major problems encountered by a fellow officiating group. "Brothers Under The Stripes" simply don't do that sort of thing.

I agree, I was shocked when I found out that American officials were actually doing the games. If I was asked to step in in this situation, I would definitely refuse. The only thing I can think of is that these officials did not know the whole story.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by SCAB

All I know is that I did a favor for somebody and helped cover the games so the kids could have their championship games. I had no idea all of this stuff was going on up there until it was too late.

All I do know is that the weather was beautiful, the field is beautiful, the games were good, and the kids seemed to have a good time.

It looks like you didn't do much of a favor to your fellow officials from another country though, does it SCAB? But hey, the weather was good, the field was beautiful, the games were good and the kids seemed to have a good time. And you made a few bucks too probably. Life is good.

Not to worry. I couldn't do what you did. Ever. But that's just me.

I read somewhere in that forum that you guys were from the Detroit area. Maybe an equivalent situation might be the MHSAA using you guys all year round and then telling you before the state championship games that they're bringing in officials from Illinois or Ohio...or Canada to do those games. Nothing the matter with that, right? I'm sure that the officials from Illinois or Ohio would never ask whatinthehell was going on either. They'd probably think that it was only a favor for someone.

One other thing....I see that the MHSAA posted a Code For Athletic Officials on it's website. #3 in that code states "Accept contracts for and officiate only contests for which you are qualified and experienced." I take it from that then that you are qualified and experienced in Canadian football. Correct?

[TXMike]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

It looks like you didn't do much of a favor to your fellow officials from another country though, does it SCAB? But hey, the weather was good, the field was beautiful, the games were good and the kids seemed to have a good time. And you made a few bucks too probably. Life is good.

Not to worry. I couldn't do what you did. Ever. But that's just me.

Well clearly none of us is going to get a straight story from the ref's side about what was going on up there so how can you blame someone for taking the game. Should they just have refused because some other association refused it? Most of us have been in associations where the group's leadership has done things that many of us in the group do not agree with. For all any of us know, that was the case here. I am all for defending my fellow zebras but only if I know they acted correctly. They do not get an automatic walk from me.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by TXMike

They do not get an automatic walk from me.

Apparently.

Soooooo......there'd be no problem with the TUIL bringing in officials from Oklahoma to do playoff and championship games in Texas, I take it? And if someone from Oklahoma called you and said "Hey, TXMike, y'all come up and do our 5A championship high school game, you'd be there? You'd never dream of calling the Oklahoma officials first to find out whatinthehell was going on?

OKay.......

[jjrye22]

I found one real article about the theme. Doesn't say much, but it at least gives a background.

http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/st...d-ed973d35da5a

Personally I'd like to hear more about it.

James

[Niner]

Interesting part of the article indicates that the striking officials union was paid in advance for the games and...

""They're breaking their contract, so there will probably be litigation after this," Rion said. "They (officials) are the only ones who get paid for their job in this (league) right now they're denying youth their championships."

Sad state of adulthood.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

With all due respect TXMike, you are severley misinformed, through no fault of your own.

Why don't you tell me where you've read your information?

I think Mike asks a damn good question. Why are you being so evasive about everything?

You call these guys scabs but I don't see where your actions are anymore honorable.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I think Mike asks a damn good question. Why are you being so evasive about everything?

You call these guys scabs but I don't see where your actions are anymore honorable.

Worse than apples and oranges: more like elephants and paper airplanes.

[JugglingReferee]

To the US officials that did the game:

I'm glad that the young athletes were able to play a game that awarded the championship trophies. To not have that played would be heart wrenching. The league was once a strong and vibrant league, and tonnes of fun to officiate. It is still fun to officiate, but there has been a noticable lack of leadership in the league administration this year.

You were put in a tough stituation. You didn't know all the facts, and likely heard from only one body: the league. There's no doubt in my mind that if the league did tell you details about the situation, they were vague at best, and flat out incorrect at worst.

• Also, did it ever occur to you to ask the league for a contact with the official's organization that normally covers the games? This is a provincial final - surely you didn't think the officiating was something of a low priority.
• The coach has been ejected from games 3 times. By league rule, he should have been ejected from the league... for life. But alas, he wasn't because he and a league executive coach Team Ontario together.
• As for Chief Referee, that wasn't him, I can almost assure you.

Edit: spelling