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The loss of down penalty is in reference to the fact that most penalties against the offense allow for the down to be replayed. In this case the ablity to replay the down in question is lost due to the loss of down penalty. If we were apply your suggestion and eliminate 1st down in your play the following conclusion would also be required: on A's 3rd and 10 from the A20 with an illegal forward pass at A22 would result in B's ball at the A17.
It's similar to a play where A has 3rd and 2 at A28, A2 runs the ball to the 50. During the run A56 commited a holding penalty at the A41. The penalty would be 10 yards from the spot resulting in the ball being place at the A31. While the penalty would normally include a replay of the down, awarding a new seires of downs overrules the replay of down portion of the enforcement (as it does in the illegal forward pass situation).
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This is why there's no 0th down -- and why there should be.
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The thing is guys, the point of penalty enforcement is that a team gets what they have gained without the aid of a foul. So, if the foul is far enough ahead of the LTG and they are still beyond the LTG, they still get the 1st down and I don't see how it should be any other way.
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Had a long discussion about this with Scott Taylor in rec.sport.officiating, and he eventually convinced me that you can't say for sure that allowing a team to scrimmage an extra down after a repeat-the-down penalty for a foul by either team during a return is fairer than having them just scrimmage without the extra down or having the other team repeat the down, but I still think there's a good argument for it. I thought a compromise might be allowing the extra down but no forward pass allowed during it, to simulate conditions following COP. Maybe they'd like to adopt 0th down in Brazilian beach football. Robert |
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