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Originally Posted by MJT
The thing is guys, the point of penalty enforcement is that a team gets what they have gained without the aid of a foul. So, if the foul is far enough ahead of the LTG and they are still beyond the LTG, they still get the 1st down and I don't see how it should be any other way.
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But if R1 during a runback throws a forward pass or clips and either penalty is accepted, it's still going to be 1st down regardless of the fact that one is a loss of down penalty. That's why I think they erred in never introducing a 0th down outside of the usual series of downs.
Had a long discussion about this with Scott Taylor in rec.sport.officiating, and he eventually convinced me that you can't say for sure that allowing a team to scrimmage an extra down after a repeat-the-down penalty for a foul by either team during a return is fairer than having them just scrimmage without the extra down or having the
other team repeat the down, but I still think there's a good argument for it. I thought a compromise might be allowing the extra down but no forward pass allowed during it, to simulate conditions following COP.
Maybe they'd like to adopt 0th down in Brazilian beach football.
Robert