Hawaii Bowl ejection

[stevesmith]

I know what the rules are, but when a player running through the endzone with the game clinching touchdown can't high five a few fans, we've crushed spontaneous non-threatening enthusiam in the game. I understand the logic, but I still don't agree.

[sj]

To voiceoflg

If you're asking whether or not it was a good call or not then it was because interacting with spectators is listed specifically as unsportsmanlike. So the official had no choice. He had to flag it. So if someone thought it was a bad call they can't criticize the calling official. He was doing his job as he is told to do it.
Another poster right above here makes the case for maybe changing the rule somehow. But until then it's a flag and the kids have to learn that it is.

[stevesmith]

I agree it was there and had to be called. I just don't like the rule as written.

[voiceoflg]

Originally Posted by sj

To voiceoflg

If you're asking whether or not it was a good call or not then it was because interacting with spectators is listed specifically as unsportsmanlike. So the official had no choice. He had to flag it. So if someone thought it was a bad call they can't criticize the calling official. He was doing his job as he is told to do it.
Another poster right above here makes the case for maybe changing the rule somehow. But until then it's a flag and the kids have to learn that it is.

I'm not criticizing the official. I just wanted the opinions of those who actually do the job. The next game I officiate will be my first, but I agree with Steve. It is a bad rule, but it is indeed a rule and thus must be enforced.

[NickelDeuce]

Yeah, but it's a bowl game. Could be the last game this kid ever plays. I think there should be some latitude in specific situations. This being one of them. That kid should not have been ejected.

[stevesmith]

"Coach, I'm sorry, I was looking for the ballboy and trying to get a ball ready for the extra point. I never saw the player go to the stands. I completely missed it!"

[TXMike]

Well I will take the contrary position and say I favor the rule as written and as it was enforced in this game. There are serious safety issues, both with the fans and with the players, whenever they get that close a proximity where both are highly excited and animated. That is reason enough in my mind to keep the rule as written. But, additionally, the whole team is responsible for that TD, not just the one player. So do we let the whole team go over?

[stevesmith]

I hate when you use logic!

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by NickelDeuce

Yeah, but it's a bowl game. Could be the last game this kid ever plays. I think there should be some latitude in specific situations. This being one of them. That kid should not have been ejected.

I see it as "it's his last game, he should know the rule by now."

[radwaste50]

I agree with the flag thats how NCAA and conferneces want it called

Also remember that was his second he got a UC in the first half and had been talking trash the entire game.

[sj]

Rule On The Prevention of Being Ejected...

If you don't get the first one you will NEVER get the second one.

I had this conversation with my nephew once. He and his Dad (my brother) had called me late on a Friday night after his game and they told me that he had been ejected. They said the first USC he deserved because he had spiked the ball. But they didn't think he deserved the second one because he was at the bottom of pile and was just sort of kicking his legs out to free himself when an official threw the flag on him. I told him that whether or not you deserved the second one is not the reason you got ejected. It was more of the fact that you did deserve the first one and that put you in a position to be subject to a second one, good call or not, and being ejected.

Even my own family wanted to whine but I wouldn't let them. They understood what I was trying to say anyway.

My brother later had a conversation with the guy who called the second one a few weeks later and he told him that if he had to do it over again he wouldn't have flagged him for the stuff under the pile.

But if he hadn't gotten the first USC it wouldn't have mattered.

[Jim S]

Originally Posted by NickelDeuce

Yeah, but it's a bowl game. Could be the last game this kid ever plays. I think there should be some latitude in specific situations. This being one of them. That kid should not have been ejected.

So, in your rulebook, how many USL fouls make an automatic ejection? The same rules apply. The same conduct is expected. Perhaps even more so. These are teams that have have managed o get this far. Supposedly they are better coached, more disciplined, and have a better grasp o the game.
Don't want to be treated like an fool??? Don't BE an fool!

[Forksref]

Originally Posted by sj

To voiceoflg

If you're asking whether or not it was a good call or not then it was because interacting with spectators is listed specifically as unsportsmanlike. So the official had no choice. He had to flag it. So if someone thought it was a bad call they can't criticize the calling official. He was doing his job as he is told to do it.
Another poster right above here makes the case for maybe changing the rule somehow. But until then it's a flag and the kids have to learn that it is.

The kids should learn it from coaches, not from experience. A disciplined team is one that is well taught.