Illegal Forward Pass Situation

[stevesmith]

NCAA-

A's ball 4th and 12 on B's 47. A2 catches A1's pass at B's 31 where he immediately gets hit. Before being tackled, A2 throws the ball to A3 who is at B's 29 and who then runs and is tackled at B's 26.

What is the result of the enforcement?

[TXMike]

What game was this?? I had this very play emailed to me by a friend in Texas.

The ilegal fwd pass penalty is enforced from the spot of foul ((B31). The 5 yards puts it at the B36, short of the line to gain (B35). Ball goes over as the penalty includes loss of down. B 1 and 10 at B36.

[MJT]

If they had done it more than 5 yards past the LTG, you'd have a 1st down after penalty enforcement. Better have a bean bag down if it was completed!!

[TXMike]

Bean bag??? Where and why?

[MJT]

Originally Posted by TXMike

Bean bag??? Where and why?

I'm sorry, a flag, not a bean bag. If it would be a forward lateral beyong the LOS, you need a flag at the spot of the IFP cuz that is where the penalty is enforced from. If they were more than 5 yards past the LTG, you would still have a 1st down after the penalty enforcement.

[TXMike]

Oh oh!!! You have been corrupted by the media!! ;-) "forward lateral" ?!?!?!?!?

You have a flag at the spot of the illegal forward pass..no need for a bag. You would need a bag if the pass was ruled a backward pass (or a "lateral" if you prefer ;-) )

[MJT]

Originally Posted by TXMike

Oh oh!!! You have been corrupted by the media!! ;-) "forward lateral" ?!?!?!?!?

You have a flag at the spot of the illegal forward pass..no need for a bag. You would need a bag if the pass was ruled a backward pass (or a "lateral" if you prefer ;-) )

Sorry on the "lateral" talk Mike! Sh*t happens when you rush!

Flag it forward, bag it backwards. How is that!

[Bob M.]

REPLY: Monte...you keep up that "forward lateral" stuff, and we're going to drop you from the fraternity and take away your key!

[stevesmith]

Everyone is correct, but you tend to second guess yourself on the last play of a 1-point game on a call that isn't made everyday. Fortunately, I have a very experienced and knowledgable crew to hold my hand and keep me smart. And of course, as soon as you realize what's about to happen when you enforce the penalty, you already know to start walking toward the sideline because the coach is going to want to talk about it.

[Warrenkicker]

Maybe MJT is getting flustered that the cold is coming and football is over.

You can keep the real cold up there thank you.

[bluezebra]

The "Boobs in the Booth" call every underhand toss a "lateral". Including forward. Lateral means sideways. Someone should make them read a dictionary. AND a rule book.

Bob

[MJT]

Originally Posted by Warrenkicker

Maybe MJT is getting flustered that the cold is coming and football is over.

You can keep the real cold up there thank you.

I could handle the cold, if we still had FB. My mind is not the same without working FB.

[Theisey]

I know it's motherhood to point this out, but I know from posts in other forums, the LOD provision had messed up some of the enforcements or at least were questioned by the poster.

As pointed out, if the line-to-gain point has been reached after the yardage enforcement, the LOD provision does not apply. Otherwise, the LOD provision kicks in and could possibly cause the ball to be turned over to team-B.
In the heat of the battle, that can be forgotten. Especially if some coach starts questioning your enfrorcement. Nah, they wouldn't do that would they.

[stevesmith]

Originally Posted by Theisey

As pointed out, if the line-to-gain point has been reached after the yardage enforcement, the LOD provision does not apply. Otherwise, the LOD provision kicks in and could possibly cause the ball to be turned over to team-B.
In the heat of the battle, that can be forgotten. Especially if some coach starts questioning your enfrorcement. Nah, they wouldn't do that would they.

Agreed, that's why I like to remember it as "loss of the right to repeat the previous down". As you said, not important if the line to gain has been reached because then the previous down isn't necessary.

During this particular play, you can bet it was questioned by the coach!!!

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

The "Boobs in the Booth" call every underhand toss a "lateral". Including forward. Lateral means sideways. Someone should make them read a dictionary. AND a rule book.

Bob

Why bother reading the book when you can just talk off-the-cuff and nobody calls you on it?