Christian Schools Battle Over Kick

[ABoselli]

If it was a 5 man crew that normally works together, they should have the "who goes under the post" mechanic down by this point. If it was a lack of concentration or communication, that's on them.

I can't see stopping the clock when it's running under with 30 seconds left in a close game and A is running the kicking team out there.

The whole replay, who won? discussion is for the birds. I can understand the kids feeling cheated out of the win if you know that it was a made FG, but that's life - move on. There will probably be something down the road that is a big disappointment for you - you gonna get a do-over on that one?

I think it illustrates how everyone is willing to talk about honor and justice until their interests are placed in jeopardy - then their ideas of justice and honor get a little skewed.

[parepat]

Couple questions here.

1. Why is some sports management company assigning high school officials.

2. Are private schools not part of a state association in California?

[Ref inSoCA]

Originally Posted by parepat

Couple questions here.



2. Are private schools not part of a state association in California?

What do you mean?

[parepat]

Originally Posted by Ref inSoCA

What do you mean?

Thought it was a pretty simple question. Why is this "challenge" to change the outcome being directed at the opposing coach? Shouldn't the state be involved in putting an end to the back and forth. My question was whether the private schools are part of the same athletic association as the public schools. Where I live this matter would have been resolved in about two minutes with a statement like: "There is no mechanism to challange officials calls after the fact. As a result the outcome of the game stands." Note-this would not be the case in Georgia.

[Smiley]

Georgia changed their policy this year. They no longer consider protests.

[parepat]

Originally Posted by Smiley

Georgia changed their policy this year. They no longer consider protests.

We can still make fun of Georgia for a few more years can't we?

[Mike L]

Originally Posted by parepat

Thought it was a pretty simple question. Why is this "challenge" to change the outcome being directed at the opposing coach? Shouldn't the state be involved in putting an end to the back and forth. My question was whether the private schools are part of the same athletic association as the public schools. Where I live this matter would have been resolved in about two minutes with a statement like: "There is no mechanism to challange officials calls after the fact. As a result the outcome of the game stands." Note-this would not be the case in Georgia.

Understand that there is no "state authority" in California. There are 10 sections to the CIF, each with semi-autonomous authority over how things go in their areas. Now then, we all operate under the same basic rules but there are variations. What rules regarding protests the Central Coast Section may have I don't know. However, upon reading the article, it's not even clear if this has gone anywhere beyond the 2 schools arguing over it. That may be just because the so-called "wronged" school knows there is no appeal process regarding judgement calls on the field. Until somebody actually goes to the Section, which the article mentions nothing about, there really isn't much for the Section admin to do, is there? Because at this point it's nothing but a lot of sour grapes in the paper.

[parepat]

Originally Posted by Mike L

Understand that there is no "state authority" in California. There are 10 sections to the CIF, each with semi-autonomous authority over how things go in their areas. Now then, we all operate under the same basic rules but there are variations. What rules regarding protests the Central Coast Section may have I don't know. However, upon reading the article, it's not even clear if this has gone anywhere beyond the 2 schools arguing over it. That may be just because the so-called "wronged" school knows there is no appeal process regarding judgement calls on the field. Until somebody actually goes to the Section, which the article mentions nothing about, there really isn't much for the Section admin to do, is there? Because at this point it's nothing but a lot of sour grapes in the paper.

Wow, it is really amazing to me how each state handles its athletics and officials differently. So, is there a state champion crowned thru a playoff in California?

[Ref inSoCA]

Originally Posted by parepat

Wow, it is really amazing to me how each state handles its athletics and officials differently. So, is there a state champion crowned thru a playoff in California?

No.

Each of the 10 Sections has a champion in each of the Divisions they have. The San Diego Section has Div I thru V plus 8 man but the Southern Section has Divs I thru XIII or XIV.

[Ref inSoCA]

Originally Posted by parepat

Thought it was a pretty simple question. Why is this "challenge" to change the outcome being directed at the opposing coach? Shouldn't the state be involved in putting an end to the back and forth. My question was whether the private schools are part of the same athletic association as the public schools. Where I live this matter would have been resolved in about two minutes with a statement like: "There is no mechanism to challange officials calls after the fact. As a result the outcome of the game stands." Note-this would not be the case in Georgia.

I just wanted to make sure I knew what you meant. CA is different from any other state.

As Mike said above, CA is 10 seperate sections, each with its own officials groups and administration. My section covers 90 schools in 2 counties. Each county had its own officials asociation. We all have our own mechanics manual.

If it were to go beyond the 2 schools arguing it would fall to their section to decide.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by parepat

Couple questions here.

1. Why is some sports management company assigning high school officials.

It is simply the name of the officials' association.

[JugglingReferee]

Interesting.

We had a FGA late in a V playoff game where the covering official (short side sideline official in 4-man crew) signalled wide. The ball sailed OOB (in Canada, the uprights are on the GL) so that same official then blew his whistle to signal a single point (rouge). Everyone knew it was good so when they saw him signal wide, then the rouge, many were saying it was good. The R happened to look up at the flight of the ball for a sec and saw it good. The U also looked up and knew it was good.

Point is, the crew got together and did decide that the attempt was good. They awarded the 3 points and of course, being a playoff game, the team that lost blamed the officials.

IMO, the whole thing was caused by a hole in the mechanics that the covering official properly followed. There was no way to cover both uprights with just one official.

[The Roamin' Umpire]

Huh. Under our four-man mechanics, for any FG attempt where the ball is snapped from outside the 15, the wing will move behind and in between the goalposts, and moves as necessary to rule on the kick. If the snap is from inside the 15, the wing stands to one side and only rules on over/under the crossbar; the R has the posts.

I don't much like this mechanic, but I'm not sure there's a better one.

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by The Roamin' Umpire

Huh. Under our four-man mechanics, for any FG attempt where the ball is snapped from outside the 15, the wing will move behind and in between the goalposts, and moves as necessary to rule on the kick. If the snap is from inside the 15, the wing stands to one side and only rules on over/under the crossbar; the R has the posts.

I don't much like this mechanic, but I'm not sure there's a better one.

Not sure if this is correct but it's a slight variation of your 4-man mechanic: The R faces the holder as normal and has the upright on his side. The wing has the other upright and the crossbar. I think it would be hard for the R to have both uprights from his location. This is the way I've done it with 4-man mechanics.