NCAA LOD enforcement

[DJ_NV]

Just want to verify....

NCAA: if there is an accepted live-ball foul (not treated as a dead-ball) during the last timed down of a period, do you extend the period for an untimed down even if the penalty carries a LOD?

[JasonTX]

Yes. Even if that means the opposing team is next to snap the ball.

[mcrowder]

Jason, seems that we went over this in clinic and the answer was no ... specifically due to these two examples and similar plays:

1) A32 is about to get tackled on a play after time has expired around the B10, and sees A88 in the endzone - he throws it to A88 for the TD. Penalty is Illegal forward pass, which carries with it LOD. Ruling - A does not get to run another play after the enforcement of the penalty.

2) Time has expired on a 1st and 10 pass play, A12 throws the ball no-where near an A player and is flagged for grounding, but B56 picks off the pass - during the return, B56 fumbles, A recovers and returns the fumble for a TD. B must accept the penalty to avoid the TD, but because the penalty carries a LOD, A does not get another play.

[TXMike]

Which clinician said this? I doubt it was Charles Stephenson. I don't see anything in the book that permits you to blow off the required penalty extension just because it gives A another chance.

[Bob M.]

REPLY: Another rules difference. In NCAA, you extend; in Federation, you don't.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by TXMike

I don't see anything in the book that permits you to blow off the required penalty extension just because it gives A another chance.

I tried to PM you, but it won't let me. Please PM me or send me an email - mcrowde1 at jcpenney dot com.

And no, it was a breakout session, names to remain nameless in public.

[JasonTX]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

Jason, seems that we went over this in clinic and the answer was no ... specifically due to these two examples and similar plays:

1) A32 is about to get tackled on a play after time has expired around the B10, and sees A88 in the endzone - he throws it to A88 for the TD. Penalty is Illegal forward pass, which carries with it LOD. Ruling - A does not get to run another play after the enforcement of the penalty.

2) Time has expired on a 1st and 10 pass play, A12 throws the ball no-where near an A player and is flagged for grounding, but B56 picks off the pass - during the return, B56 fumbles, A recovers and returns the fumble for a TD. B must accept the penalty to avoid the TD, but because the penalty carries a LOD, A does not get another play.

The rule is pretty specific and LOD plays are not an exception to this. I guess your clinician was giving out bad information
3-2-3
Extension of Periods
ARTICLE 3. A period shall be extended until a down (other than a try), free
from live-ball fouls not penalized as dead-ball fouls, has been played when:
a. A penalty is accepted for a live-ball foul(s) not penalized as a dead-ball
foul that occurs during a down in which time expires (Exception: Rule
10-2-2-g-1) (A.R. 3-2-3-I-VIII).
b. Offsetting fouls occur during a down in which time expires.
c. An inadvertent whistle is sounded or an official signals the ball dead
during a down in which time expires.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by JasonTX

The rule is pretty specific and LOD plays are not an exception to this. I guess your clinician was giving out bad information
3-2-3
Extension of Periods
ARTICLE 3. A period shall be extended until a down (other than a try), free
from live-ball fouls not penalized as dead-ball fouls, has been played when:
a. A penalty is accepted for a live-ball foul(s) not penalized as a dead-ball
foul that occurs during a down in which time expires (Exception: Rule
10-2-2-g-1) (A.R. 3-2-3-I-VIII).
b. Offsetting fouls occur during a down in which time expires.
c. An inadvertent whistle is sounded or an official signals the ball dead
during a down in which time expires.

Well, I went home and got out the book at lunch. Based on what you've posted, I see no flaw in your argument. Guess I need to hunt the guy down next Monday and see if I misunderstood him, or if he has some other interp that actually came from somewhere.