Stop the clock?

[RoyGardner]

I don't think the question is if it could be done. According to the posted play it was done and without any procedural flags. The question asked was should the clock have been stopped since the only ones not ready were the officials. If both teams can sub and be in position for an attempted field goal, which they actually did according to the posted play, then we should be blowing the whistle and getting in position to correctly officiate the play and get the call right.

Were not giving anyone extra time, were making them wait for us to get into position, both teams are already in position and ready to snap.

[RonRef]

Originally Posted by RoyGardner

I don't think the question is if it could be done. According to the posted play it was done and without any procedural flags. The question asked was should the clock have been stopped since the only ones not ready were the officials. If both teams can sub and be in position for an attempted field goal, which they actually did according to the posted play, then we should be blowing the whistle and getting in position to correctly officiate the play and get the call right.

Were not giving anyone extra time, were making them wait for us to get into position, both teams are already in position and ready to snap.

I would like to see this game film of this play, I would bet a game check that they were not set on the kick. With all the confusion on the crew during the last 20 seconds there was probably a penalty out there that should have been called.

[GPC2]

Originally Posted by RonRef

I would like to see this game film of this play, I would bet a game check that they were not set on the kick. With all the confusion on the crew during the last 20 seconds there was probably a penalty out there that should have been called.

I was the HL I will admit that I didn't have time to accurately count players on the LOS, but other than that, there were no other procedural type penalties (illegal motion/illegal snap). It was truly amazing to see how fast the kicking team got on the field, got set, snapped, and kicked the ball. I wish I had the video to share, but I don't.

There still seems to be no consensus on what to do here, but I must admit I am hearing some very intriguing points on both sides. I originally felt that NO WAY should we stop the clock to let A get the kick off, but I guess I am now seeing it both ways (although, I still am leaning towards delaying the RFP until all officials are in position - which would make the game clock run out).

This question has been elevated to our State Director of Officials, so we shall see what he says...

[Rich]

Originally Posted by GPC2

I was the HL I will admit that I didn't have time to accurately count players on the LOS, but other than that, there were no other procedural type penalties (illegal motion/illegal snap). It was truly amazing to see how fast the kicking team got on the field, got set, snapped, and kicked the ball. I wish I had the video to share, but I don't.

There still seems to be no consensus on what to do here, but I must admit I am hearing some very intriguing points on both sides. I originally felt that NO WAY should we stop the clock to let A get the kick off, but I guess I am now seeing it both ways (although, I still am leaning towards delaying the RFP until all officials are in position - which would make the game clock run out).

This question has been elevated to our State Director of Officials, so we shall see what he says...

I'm interested in all this talk about pace since I'm a WH and this is one of my most important jobs.

There's no way we use the same pace for every play. Most of the game, the pace is what I would describe as almost leisurely. The offense is huddling, we're getting the ball spotted, and I'm giving the RFP. I'm not in a hurry, but neither is anyone else.

At the end of the game during a hurry-up, I know I'm trying to get the ball spotted quickly and making sure we're not delaying the offense while not putting undue demands on the defense.

It's one of the things the NFL officials do extremely well. They get the ball spotted quickly for a spike/play.

[JasonTX]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

I'm interested in all this talk about pace since I'm a WH and this is one of my most important jobs.

There's no way we use the same pace for every play. Most of the game, the pace is what I would describe as almost leisurely. The offense is huddling, we're getting the ball spotted, and I'm giving the RFP. I'm not in a hurry, but neither is anyone else.

At the end of the game during a hurry-up, I know I'm trying to get the ball spotted quickly and making sure we're not delaying the offense while not putting undue demands on the defense.

It's one of the things the NFL officials do extremely well. They get the ball spotted quickly for a spike/play.

In the NFL the play clock starts when the previous play becomes dead, so the NFL you must get the ball spotted because the play clock is already running. For NCAA and HS we decide when the clock starts. We aren't taking our sweet time but we definitley aren't going to speed things up just so they can get another play off. The key is to set your pace and it will vary, but if you create a routine then the teams have to adjust to you and know that is the same routine you'll follow. Depending on the play it may take longer to make it ready. My routine is, ball becomes dead, we relay the ball to the Ump and he spots the ball, I make eye contact with each official. I look at LJ, then at the U, then to the BJ and finish with HL, then I make the ball ready. I'd estimate it will take me about 4 secs. to look at all 4 officials. We keep the same speed we started with.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by JasonTX

In the NFL the play clock starts when the previous play becomes dead, so the NFL you must get the ball spotted because the play clock is already running. For NCAA and HS we decide when the clock starts. We aren't taking our sweet time but we definitley aren't going to speed things up just so they can get another play off. The key is to set your pace and it will vary, but if you create a routine then the teams have to adjust to you and know that is the same routine you'll follow. Depending on the play it may take longer to make it ready. My routine is, ball becomes dead, we relay the ball to the Ump and he spots the ball, I make eye contact with each official. I look at LJ, then at the U, then to the BJ and finish with HL, then I make the ball ready. I'd estimate it will take me about 4 secs. to look at all 4 officials. We keep the same speed we started with.

Jason, on MOST plays in NCAA and HS, the game clock is moving between plays just as you describe in the NFL, and just as it is in the OP. I would say the urgency to get the ball spotted at our level in a sitch like this is identical to the urgency to get the ball spotted in the NFL. I doubt the urgency has ANYTHING to do with the playclock, and EVERYTHING to do with the game clock.

[JasonTX]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

Jason, on MOST plays in NCAA and HS, the game clock is moving between plays just as you describe in the NFL, and just as it is in the OP. I would say the urgency to get the ball spotted at our level in a sitch like this is identical to the urgency to get the ball spotted in the NFL. I doubt the urgency has ANYTHING to do with the playclock, and EVERYTHING to do with the game clock.

I'm just saying that all the officials have pre-snap responsibilities and they happen before the ball is ready for play. If my officials aren't in position to officiate then the ball will not be made ready. If I'm speeding up, then essentially I am assisting Team A in getting a play. I will remain neutral to both teams. Team B just made a good play by forcing A into a situation that may run the clock out and that is a situation that Team B earned. By me rushing to get the ball up there so A can snap again has just taken away the play that Team B earned. Don't change or rush your pre-snap routine just to suit Team A.

How would you handle this situation? With Team A leading by 2 pts. team A runs a play to the A15 and is stopped short of the first down. Team B is out of timeouts. With the clock running and is at 30 seconds. Will you rush to spot the ball so that the RFP is given with more than 25 seconds so that A must snap the ball again or will you keep your normal pace and most likely A won't snap the ball again. If you rush then now you are assisting team B by forcing A to snap again.