Onside kick ruling

kentref · #1 (**permalink**) Wed Oct 05, 2005, 08:59pm

K12 executes an onside kick from K's 40. He kicks the ball so it immediately hits the ground and bounces high into the air. R25 is moving into the neutral zone at K's 48 yard line and is in position to catch the airborne ball. Before R25 can catch the ball, K50 levels R25 with a block and the ball goes untouched out of bounds.

What have you got?

l3will · #2 (**permalink**) Wed Oct 05, 2005, 09:11pm

You have a free kick out of bounds. R can have K penalized 5 yards and another free-kick, or put it in play 25 yards beyond the previous spot, OR take it at the out of bounds spot.

Since the kick touched the ground it is not kick-catching interference.

Snake~eyes · #3 (**permalink**) Wed Oct 05, 2005, 09:29pm

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Originally posted by l3will
You have a free kick out of bounds. R can have K penalized 5 yards and another free-kick, or put it in play 25 yards beyond the previous spot, OR take it at the out of bounds spot.

Since the kick touched the ground it is not kick-catching interference.

Exactly what I've got.

jwaz · #4 (**permalink**) Wed Oct 05, 2005, 09:35pm

I have a dead ball Illegal participation on K

cmathews · #5 (**permalink**) Wed Oct 05, 2005, 10:43pm

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Originally posted by jwaz
I have a dead ball Illegal participation on K

why????

yankeesfan · #6 (**permalink**) Wed Oct 05, 2005, 10:49pm

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Originally posted by jwaz
I have a dead ball Illegal participation on K

wow.

BoBo · #7 (**permalink**) Thu Oct 06, 2005, 02:18am

jwaz is saying that "K12" is the 12th player on the field where probably in the play descrition the 12 is actually the jersey number

jwaz · #8 (**permalink**) Thu Oct 06, 2005, 03:13am

BoBo that is the way I read it.

whaddayouknow · #9 (**permalink**) Thu Oct 06, 2005, 04:33am

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Originally posted by jwaz
I have a dead ball Illegal participation on K

If it was the 12th player... how can someone participate illegally during a dead ball. Wouldn't it it either be a "dead ball illegal substitution" before the kick or "illegal participation" during the play?

Footnote: see other play I posted on similar kickoff subject. Was there something in the air last night?

Theisey · #10 (**permalink**) Thu Oct 06, 2005, 06:53am

If you would like an NCAA result, you still have a free kick OOB but you also have an illegal block on the kickers.
It's illegal as they cannot block until they are legally able to touch the ball which they can't do yet.

irefky · #11 (**permalink**) Thu Oct 06, 2005, 07:13am

I would hope that the BJ counted his players prior to leaving the field. If so, he counted 12, then at the kick, dead ball, IS. If a K ran onto the field, then IP.

I have OOB on the play, R ball at point it went OOB. Due to the post, it sounds better than the 35!

Snake~eyes · #12 (**permalink**) Thu Oct 06, 2005, 08:52am

Guyys theres a R25 and K50, i do not think K12 means the 12th guy on the field.

andy1033 · #13 (**permalink**) Thu Oct 06, 2005, 08:52am

Is R25 the 25th r player on the field?

Bob M. · #14 (**permalink**) Thu Oct 06, 2005, 09:55am

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Originally posted by andy1033
Is R25 the 25th r player on the field?

REPLY I knew it looked crowded out there!

kentref · #15 (**permalink**) Thu Oct 06, 2005, 03:19pm

To clarify: K12 is not a "12th man" on the field. Only a uniform number.

Under NFHS rules, does anyone have kick catching interference on this? The rule book appears to be "silent" on kick catching interference in the neutral zone on a free kick UNLESS the ball is in flight (i.e. has not hit the ground). It may seem appropriate to rule that the potential receiver was denied his right to the ball, but I can't find rules support for calling kick catching interference when the ball has been grounded. Agree or disagree?