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I just received a cell phone call about a play that just happened 5 minutes ago in a championship midget game asking if the officials made a proper ruling.
A's has a long run down to B's 2 yard line. A fumbles at the 2 and the ball rolls into B's end zone where B illegally kicks the ball over the endline. Ruling: If foul declined, result of play would be a touchback since A provided the force. If the penalty is accepted it would NOT be a safety, but rather A's ball 1st and goal at the 1 yard line. I agreed with that because B fouled while A was still in team possession of the ball so enforce from the end of A's run. I had to think about that for a minute as my initial thought was safety. Then I got to thinking if B had possessed the ball (and it became dead in the EZ) and fouled in the endzone then it would be a safety because it would be a foul behind the basic spot (the 20). But in this case B fouled while A had the ball during a running play. If team possession had changed I would rule safety. I just want to double check on both situations for my own sanity. |
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Now see, this is what happens when you start thinking too much. :>)
It is indeed going to be A's ball at the 1. This was a foul during a loose ball following a run (not a loose ball play). The basic spot is the end of the related run.
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EDIT: I will have to re-visit the reply concerning the Canadian ruling. I shall do so soon. [Edited by JugglingReferee on Nov 28th, 2004 at 10:15 PM]
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Hey, ljudge, when I first responded to your question I knew there was something wrong. You stated "If foul declined, result of play would be a touchback since A provided the force"
Not necessarially true. If no one was in player possession of such a ball when it is declared dead it would be a TD for A.
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The ball didn't become dead in the EZ. It was kicked over the endline so it would have to be a TB if the foul was declined. Your scenario is valid and a good one to think about however. It would definitely be a TD if the ball became dead in the EZ with no player in possession b/c team A is still in team possession.
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Yes, I forgot to mention it.
So: NCAA rules, Team A´s 3rd&goal on B´s 10. Team A fumbles at 2 and loose ball is kicked form the EZ over the goal line by Team B. What is the ruling? -3th down on B´s 1 for A if accepted (rule 5-2-9) -TB if declined (rules 8-6-1-a and 8-7-2-b-1-exc) ? And what would the ruling be, if this happens on fourth down? I mentioned AR 8-7-2-IX-b, but as the penalty would half the distance to the goal, Team A would still be short of gaining first down, so Team B´s ball at their own one-yard line? Please do not try to compare it with Fed (or other) rules, as I know nothing about them Thank you for answer |
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