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[Bob M.]

OK folks…here’s my first offering for the off-season board. It’s a day early. My goal is to attempt to address normal game situations rather than extreme ‘what-if’ stuff. However, I also intend to include a twist or two on my play to address the needs of the “Stump the Chump” bunch. Please indicate in your response whether you’re answering according to NCAA or Federation rules.

PLAY: A’s ball, 3/17 from A’s 10. Punter A10’s kick is blocked at A’s 3. It…
(a) rolls out of bounds at A’s 2
(b) rolls into A’s end zone and over the end line
(c) rolls into A’s end zone where it is recovered on the ground by A15
(d) rolls into A’s end zone where it is recovered on the ground by B76
(e) is recovered by A67 at A’s 1 yardline.

OK…those were the easier ones. Now for you “Stump the Chump” enthusiasts…

(f) is recovered jointly by A55 and B75 at A’s 2
(g) rolls toward the sideline where both teams let it lie believing it has gone out of bounds. The official eventually blows the play dead with the ball inbounds at A’s 3
(h) rolls into A’s endzone where it is jointly recovered by A15 and B56.
(i) It rolls to the endline but remains in the endzone. Neither team attempts to recover it. The covering official blows it dead.

[Warrenkicker]

(a) B's ball at A-2
(b) safety
(c) safety
(d) touchdown
(e) B's ball at A-1

(f) B's ball at A-2
(g) B's ball at A-3
(h) safety
(i) safety

[Edited by Warrenkicker on Dec 2nd, 2004 at 01:44 PM]

[MJT]

Originally posted by Bob M.
OK folks…here’s my first offering for the off-season board. It’s a day early. My goal is to attempt to address normal game situations rather than extreme ‘what-if’ stuff. However, I also intend to include a twist or two on my play to address the needs of the “Stump the Chump” bunch. Please indicate in your response whether you’re answering according to NCAA or Federation rules.

PLAY: A’s ball, 3/17 from A’s 10. Punter A10’s kick is blocked at A’s 3. It…
(a) rolls out of bounds at A’s 2
(b) rolls into A’s end zone and over the end line
(c) rolls into A’s end zone where it is recovered on the ground by A15
(d) rolls into A’s end zone where it is recovered on the ground by B76
(e) is recovered by A67 at A’s 1 yardline.

OK…those were the easier ones. Now for you “Stump the Chump” enthusiasts…

(f) is recovered jointly by A55 and B75 at A’s 2
(g) rolls toward the sideline where both teams let it lie believing it has gone out of bounds. The official eventually blows the play dead with the ball inbounds at A’s 3
(h) rolls into A’s endzone where it is jointly recovered by A15 and B56.
(i) It rolls to the endline but remains in the endzone. Neither team attempts to recover it. The covering official blows it dead.

A. B's ball at the A2.
B. safety
C. safety
D. TD for B
E. B's ball at the A1

F. B's ball at the A2 - joint recovery after kick goes to B
G. B's ball at the A3 - unrecovered goes to B
H. Safety - joint recovery again
I. TD for B - backwards pass or fumble in opponents EZ not recovered is a TD.

[Opie]

I agree with Warrenkicker. NF rules.
On i., the force that put the ball in the endzone was the kick by A, not backward pass or fumble. Safety.

[MJT]

Originally posted by Opie
I agree with Warrenkicker. NF rules.
On i., the force that put the ball in the endzone was the kick by A, not backward pass or fumble. Safety.

You're correct. Safety in I.
Fumble definition is "any loss of player possession other than by handling, passing, or legal kick."

[ljudge]

I missed bullet H. I thought TD. I'm certain that I am incorrect here. Why?

I was thinking rule 5.1.3 e but the down didn't end in the field of play so I guess that's why I'd be wrong.

But where does it state whose ball it is (I forget th erule #)? I realize it's A's ball since team possession didn't change. So now that I read safety in your responses I'm thinking it's supposed to be handled as if A was a "fumbling" team and since there is simultaneous possession they technically retain possession, hence a safety.

I need help on this one. I would have blown that in a game.

[ljudge]

Looks like MJT cleared it up (before I hit submit of course)

[WVREF]

E: A's ball 4th and 25 @ 1 yard line.
G: A's ball 4th and 22 @ 3 yard line.
H: TD for B

[Patton]

NFHS

I agree with everything except (h) and (i);

I have a TD for B in (h)
I have a safety in (i)

Rule 6-2-7...When any scrimmage kick is out of bounds between the goal lines or becomes dead inbounds between the goal lines while no player is in possesion, or inbounds anywhere while opponents are in joint possesion, the ball is awarded to R.



[Edited by Patton on Dec 2nd, 2004 at 02:44 PM]

[ljudge]

Darn it! I misred the definition of a fumble. My question remains. Why isn't it a TD for B?

[Patton]

So my complete ruling is (NFHS):

A. B's ball at the A2.
B. safety
C. safety
D. TD for B
E. B's ball at the A1

F. B's ball at the A2 - joint recovery after kick goes to B
G. B's ball at the A3 - unrecovered goes to B
H. TD for B
I. Safety

[MJT]

Originally posted by ljudge
I missed bullet H. I thought TD. I'm certain that I am incorrect here. Why?

I was thinking rule 5.1.3 e but the down didn't end in the field of play so I guess that's why I'd be wrong.

But where does it state whose ball it is (I forget th erule #)? I realize it's A's ball since team possession didn't change. So now that I read safety in your responses I'm thinking it's supposed to be handled as if A was a "fumbling" team and since there is simultaneous possession they technically retain possession, hence a safety.

I need help on this one. I would have blown that in a game.

It should be a TD. I answered it safety and explained it as if it was a TD. 6-2-7 says ball is awarded to R if "any scrimmage kick becomes dead inbounds anywhere while opponents are in joint possession." I believe the EZ still qualifies as inbounds doesn't it?

[kdf5]

H. TD

Table 6-4: 1. Kick jointly recovered by R and K belongs to R.

8-2-1...Possession of a live ball in the opponent's end zone is always a TD

[Jim S]

I have a TD for B in H.
Also take another look at E. A's ball @ the 1.

[Patton]

Originally posted by Jim S
I have a TD for B in H.
Also take another look at E. A's ball @ the 1.

How can that be A's ball?