25-second count

Originally posted by Ref Ump Welsch
Went to rules meeting tonight in Nebraska. They want us to use the 5-second arm count, just like basketball. They said they will downgrade anyone who raises their hand, since that's the dead ball signal.

Ref Ump Welsch

Two things...I am not a basketball official and chop is S20 Illegal motion.

I am in New Jersey and my crew (BJ) has held his hand up the last 5 seconds. We have done this for the past 4 years and Players/coaches love it. Never had anybody complain or think the back judge was signaling dead ball....

Originally posted by Forksref

I agree whole-heartedly! All we need is for some coach to question whether it was 4.9 or 5.0 seconds! We have enough problems on the fields with the clocks when the 25-second operator starts the clock 5 seconds late!

KS and Forksref....I with you guys! Why make a big deal out of if? Coaches will be all over it. When you start that five hand chop thing. One coach will be watching and living and dying on it...

I think just raising the hand is more then enough of a warning! How many delay of games are we all calling out there?

[mikesears]

Originally posted by devdog69
KS and Forksref....I with you guys! Why make a big deal out of if? Coaches will be all over it. When you start that five hand chop thing. One coach will be watching and living and dying on it...

I think just raising the hand is more then enough of a warning! How many delay of games are we all calling out there?

Apparently not enough to please someone with influence


Has anyone else from Illinois attended your rules meeting yet? If so, what did your interp. say about the 25 second count?

[kentref]

Will attend a Nebraska rules meeting Thursday night. I anticipate that the "chop" (basketball) mechanic will cause problems for crews. You know that some teams will have an assistant coach watching the count. In game situations where one team is trying to use up time, (i.e., use most of the 25 second count before snapping the ball), this is going to be interesting, to say the least.
According to one post, Iowa isn't going to use a mechanic for this. Perhaps that makes the most sense of all.

[1AAUMP]

FL is not using this mechanic

[Snake~eyes]

Originally posted by 1AAUMP
FL is not using this mechanic

Now I have a legitimate excuse to move to Florida.

[Forksref]

Originally posted by Snake~eyes

Now I have a legitimate excuse to move to Florida.

AMEN!

[Rich]

Originally posted by kentref
Will attend a Nebraska rules meeting Thursday night. I anticipate that the "chop" (basketball) mechanic will cause problems for crews. You know that some teams will have an assistant coach watching the count. In game situations where one team is trying to use up time, (i.e., use most of the 25 second count before snapping the ball), this is going to be interesting, to say the least.
According to one post, Iowa isn't going to use a mechanic for this. Perhaps that makes the most sense of all.

Yup.

This will be great in that 48-0 game where we like to s-t-r-e-t-c-h the play clock out a little bit. I guess we can always start counting at 23 seconds instead of 20

[KWH]

OREGON will not use the basketball chop!
We have been instructed to continue to use the BJ raised hand (Dead Ball Signal) at 5 seconds remaining as per a directive from the OSAA office.

[Forksref]

Originally posted by whatgameyouwatchinblue
the problem with doing the basketball count is most officials are not consistant with it. usually he is too slow with his count. five seconds is a pretty fast chop. our comish for our assc. last year timed some bj count and most were around 7 seconds. thats all good but we have had some teams that ran the double wing and would time the snap with one or two seconds left every snap. the back judge had to be right on with his count or the other team was on his ***. So this year we went to just the arm up at five seconds, that way every one knows to hurry the heck up.

What state are you in?

[Bob M.]

REPLY: Here in NJ, I'm told that we're going to use the chop during the last five seconds of the play clock.

[ump76]

In TN we are using the 5 second basketball count.

Originally posted by Bob M.
REPLY: Here in NJ, I'm told that we're going to use the chop during the last five seconds of the play clock.

Bob, will you do what they say? Also what did you do before, if anything?

[Simbio]

Utah talked about doing it from the chest straight out, not up like we've been doing it, at our clinic this year. As I've talked to BJ's at scrimmages, they're still going to be doing it high. Its just easier to see it that way and no one can complain.....

[SoGARef]

In the Georgia six-man manual, there is no reference to the use of a hand signal by the BJ. My BJ uses a ready-ref timer for both 25 second and 1 minute timing. It has worked like a charm and no coach has ever questioned it. It vibrates on his hip and does not give off an audible signal. That eliminates any coaches beside him hearing it go off and screaming for a flag.