Illegal Batting- Safety

Tom Hinrichs · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 20, 2003, 08:14am

A's ball 2nd & 5 from the A 5-yard line. A fumbles into A's end zone. During the scramble for the fumble A2 bats the ball out of the end of the end zone.

Flag for illegal batting. This is a safety either way. If B declines the penalty the result of the play is a safety (A forced the ball out if its own end zone)

If B accepts the penalty, the enforcement is from a spot behind the basic spot and in the endzone, resulting in a safety.

Is this correct? Feedback? Should we just signal safety and forget dropping the flag at all?

TXMike · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 20, 2003, 08:23am

You have to flag. What do you do if the if you don't and after the play is over, the BJ comes running up and tells you he has a flag down for illegal participation by Team B? You don't have a flag for the batting so are you now going to throw a late flag and look bad? If you don't then the only foul is on B and there is not going to be a safety now.

LJnkansas · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 20, 2003, 08:32am

hey tom:

my call is safety, and the flag for illegal batting spot of foul is endzone.............
my question is now what happens if the ball is batted by A at the 2 yd line and goes out the back of the endzone

sincerely yours, your substitute umpire

Tom Hinrichs · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 20, 2003, 08:56am

Ed.

If A bats the ball at the 2, B has a choice.

If B declines the penalty, the result of the play is a safety.

If B accepts the penalty, the spot of the foul is behind the basic spot (the previous spot for a loose ball play, which a fumble behind the LOS is). So, if B accepts this penalty, it is A's ball 2nd down from the 1.

mpasenelli · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 20, 2003, 10:54am

In your first scenario, there is a minor difference between the result of the play and the penalty: accepting the penalty might extend the end of the period, where accepting the result of the original play would not.(3-3-3)

Warrenkicker · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 20, 2003, 08:37pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Tom Hinrichs
Ed.

If A bats the ball at the 2, B has a choice.

If B declines the penalty, the result of the play is a safety.

If B accepts the penalty, the spot of the foul is behind the basic spot (the previous spot for a loose ball play, which a fumble behind the LOS is). So, if B accepts this penalty, it is A's ball 2nd down from the 1.

Nope. A foul during loose-ball play behind the basic spot is enforced from the spot of the foul. For example, holding by A behind the NZ before or during a pass is marked off from spot of foul not LOS.

Tom Hinrichs · #7 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 21, 2003, 07:50am

That is just what I said.

The ball is snapped from the 5. In This example the spot of the bat is the 2 (behind the basic spot). The penalty is enforced from the 2.

rdfox · #8 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 21, 2003, 09:50am

Under the new NF concept of a live ball foul by the opponents of the scoring team, should this be assessed on the succeeding spot (i.e. the free kick after the safety)?

Tom Hinrichs · #9 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 21, 2003, 10:07am

The provisions of 8.2.2- penalizing a foul during a scoring play at the succeeding spot do NOT apply to a safety.

Warrenkicker · #10 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 21, 2003, 06:56pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Tom Hinrichs
That is just what I said.

The ball is snapped from the 5. In This example the spot of the bat is the 2 (behind the basic spot). The penalty is enforced from the 2.

Sorry, misread your post.