NFL Touchdown Logic

[Rich Ives]

Giants/Dallas

Anyone know why do you have to have two feet in bounds on TD pass catch but only one knee?

[bob jenkins]

Are you looking for something more than "it's the rule?" This is from an old column by Jerry Markbreit (sp?):

Say a receiver makes a leaping catch along the sidelines, lands with one foot inbounds, hops on that foot, remaining inbounds, then brings the second down out of bounds. Is this a catch? Is one foot in bounds twice the equivalent of two feet in? --Bryan Schwerer, Cary, N.C.

There is an old saying coined by John Madden: "One knee equals two feet." This is true; however, both feet must land inbounds in order to have a successful catch. If the receiver lands on one foot and hops on the same foot so that the foot touches inbounds twice, it is an incomplete forward pass. If the receiver touches inbounds with ANY part of his body other than hands or feet, he has completed the requirement for a successful reception.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Giants/Dallas

Anyone know why do you have to have two feet in bounds on TD pass catch but only one knee?

Higher (paid) talent requires higher skill, as decided by the people paying for the talent.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Are you looking for something more than "it's the rule?" .

There is an old saying coined by John Madden: "One knee equals two feet." This is true; .

Yes - wondering why?

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Yes - wondering why?

This is one of those things the NFL inherited from the old Football Rules Committee.

Originally the rules were not specific regarding a player's gaining possession of the ball while not touching the ground. There was no special coverage of such situations, which came up so rarely as to hardly affect the game. It was first addressed some time after the forward pass was legalized, originally saying just that the "player" had to touch down in bounds, no body parts specified. Later it was decided it would be easier to see if both feet in bounds were required. If a player landed straddling a boundary, this obviated the need to tell which foot came down first. When the rule was made making the ball dead if a player possessing it touched the ground w some part of the body other than hands or feet, the Football Rules Committee -- unlike the NFL of recent years -- thought it consistent to also rule possession of the ball at that tiime.

After the NFL started making its own rules, they went back to the old rule on a tackle, so that a player on the ground w the ball in his possession was not down unless "so held" by an opponent (altered again later). But they kept the case of possession for a player who caught the ball in the air and then came down w some body part other than hands or feet on the ground. (You probably know about the recent tinkering back & forth on that point by NFL that for a while kept possession in abeyance while action continued out of bounds or with a ball that would be ruled retroactively dead.)

Meanwhile NCAA & Fed revised their rules to make it any body part in bounds -- usually stated as 1 foot, because that's the most common case. So it's back to the original wording of simply contacting the ground, but with an understanding that wasn't necessarily there originally that it really doesn't matter how much or what key parts of the body touch, and trusting a covering official to have quick eyes when body parts touch bang-bang.