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[Tryadllc]

I am writing a screenplay for a motion picture. The screenplay is 90% completed. I need help with special information about high school football regulations.

I will be selling/submitting the screenplay after I obtain the special information I need.

If my screenplay gets purchased and accepted I will (if allowed by the producer(s) to include your name as information specialist or some other designation. I offer zero funding for your information.
Care to help me?

Please visit Florida Ad Agency and send me an email or call me via the
information available on my web site.

Thank you.

John T

[BktBallRef]

Why not just post your questions here?

[Tryadllc]

Originally Posted by Tryadllc

I am writing a screenplay for a motion picture. The screenplay is 90% completed. I need help with special information about high school football regulations.

I will be selling/submitting the screenplay after I obtain the special information I need.

If my screenplay gets purchased and accepted I will (if allowed by the producer(s) to include your name as information specialist or some other designation. I offer zero funding for your information.
Care to help me?

Please visit Florida Ad Agency and send me an email or call me via the
information available on my web site.

Thank you.

John T

Complicated.

[Tryadllc]

A blocked field goal that hits the cross bar - is the ball live?

[Tryadllc]

Can a drop kick only be eligible if taken from the line of scrimmage or can a drop kick be attempted on a broken live play?

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Tryadllc

Can a drop kick only be eligible if taken from the line of scrimmage or can a drop kick be attempted on a broken live play?

It can be taken at any time on a play from scrimmage, from on or behind the line of scrimmage, provided the opposing team has not had possession of the ball during that down. Anything else you can imagine (within the bounds of still playing a football game) may have happened during the down, and the kick is still legal and can still score.

So, for example, team A place kicks in a normal field goal manner. The ball is partially blocked, bounces 5 yards beyond the line of scrimmage, then bounces back behind the line without further touching by players of team A, and is picked up and drop-kicked by a player of team A there. That's OK, and it can score the goal.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Tryadllc

A blocked field goal that hits the cross bar - is the ball live?

Ball hitting the cross bar is like the ball going out of bounds. Play is over at that point.

Peace

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Tryadllc

A blocked field goal that hits the cross bar - is the ball live?

It can still score the goal if it (eventually) goes over the bar without hitting the ground. Otherwise it's dead.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Tryadllc

I am writing a screenplay for a motion picture. The screenplay is 90% completed. I need help with special information about high school football regulations.

Should've asked some other questions:

When (what year) does the game to be depicted supposedly take place?

Where (state/Canada) does it take place?

Can we assume it's not contested by teams playing under their own league's independent code? (99% chance that if contemporary, it's under rules of their state HS athletic ass'n.)

That last bit is way you can wank it if the schools are fictional and you make a mistake, but audience members can get mad at you if you invoke Fawzian rules (as in John Goldfarb, Please Come Home).

[Tryadllc]

OK. The year is 1975. Detroit, Michigan. High school football. Catholic league VS. Public school league for the championship. Does a drop kick (for a field goal) have to be started from the line of scrimmage?
Can a drop kick (for a field goal) be be legal if started from a broken passing play?

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Tryadllc

OK. The year is 1975. Detroit, Michigan. High school football. Catholic league VS. Public school league for the championship. Does a drop kick (for a field goal) have to be started from the line of scrimmage?

The play has to start from scrimmage, yes.

Can a drop kick (for a field goal) be be legal if started from a broken passing play?

Yes, as long as the kick originates from on or behind the line of scrimmage. If the pass was complete, the receiver can still attempt the kick from behind the line of scrimmage. If the ball hits the bar or post, it can still score the goal if it goes thru, but is dead in all other respects.

If an opponent collides with the kicker after he kicks, on a broken play there's no roughing-the-kicker liability if it didn't look like he was going to kick.

[Tryadllc]

I don't want the other team to know that I am setting up for a field goal, hence I want to make the play look as though it is a pass play that turns into a drop kick. Is this a legal play in hs football? Drop kicks (through the goal posts) in hs football are 2 points - right?

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Tryadllc

\ Drop kicks (through the goal posts) in hs football are 2 points - right?

No, they are either 1 point for a try (PAT) or 3 points for a field goal.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Tryadllc

I don't want the other team to know that I am setting up for a field goal, hence I want to make the play look as though it is a pass play that turns into a drop kick. Is this a legal play in hs football? Drop kicks (through the goal posts) in hs football are 2 points - right?

By now you already know it's 3 points, but as a coach, I'd just point out that for competitive purposes, that'd be really dumb. The standard tactics used for a field goal attempt are among the few in football such that it doesn't matter what the other team knows, it's still the best way to do it.

There are lots of plays that are best achieved if you don't "show" them. An attempt at goal is not among them. The defense is already aware that a play from the usual formation won't necessarily be such an attempt, but nothing the offense could conceivably do to deceive the defense will increase their chance of success if the defense wants to stop it. Any other way of doing it is harder to execute, while not making it commensurately harder for the opponents to prevent.

Teams may line up in a spread formation to place kick, or to drop kick, adding multiple additional threats, but they'll still "show field goal". There'll still be players positioned to execute the kick at the snap, because whether you have blockers forming a pocket for it, or receivers spread wide to distract the defense, snapping the ball to a place-kick holder or a drop-kicker and doing the kick immediately is going to be much easier to do, and harder for the defense to stop, than simulating a scramble play.

Maybe the situation is not actually a competitive one. Maybe the team trying such a thing is already far ahead in the score, and want to fool around by doing something hard. Or maybe they're hopelessly behind, and it's the last play and they want to show off something or allow a player to do something that player wouldn't ordinarily get into the game for. Then, and only then, might they execute a play of the type you're contemplating. If they were actually trying to win, it'd be nuts.

[Tryadllc]

Yes, as long as the kick originates from on or behind the line of scrimmage.

So the q-back gets into shotgun formation for pass, but laterals the ball to a drop kicker who kicks the ball, as a drop kick, between the uprights. 2 points.
Is the above all correct for high school football?