all but one ?

[jjb]

Is the basic spot for penalty enforcement ever the spot of the foul… ( other than team A's foul behind the LOS )

[jTheUmp]

NFHS rules:
Penalty enforcement is relatively straightforward once you understand a couple of basic principles:
When you have a foul, the first thing that needs to be determined is where the basic spot is located. The basic spot is determined by the type of play (running play, loose-ball play, kick play, etc).

Once you know the basic spot, you apply the All-But-One Principle: All fouls are enforced from the basic spot, except for a foul by the the offense that's behind the basic spot (the but one).

A simple example:
1/10 for Team A at the A-35. Running back A20 runs for 12 yards to the A-47, where he is tackled.

The basic spot in this case is the end of the run (A-47).
All live-ball fouls by Team B are enforced from the basic spot (end of the run).
Any live-ball Team A fouls that occur BEYOND the basic spot are enforced from the basic spot (again, the end of the run).
Any live-ball Team A fouls that occur BEHIND the basic spot are enforce from the spot where the foul occurred.

[jjb]

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the LOS is at the 50 yard line....A1 runs down to B's 5 yd line and is tackled....however prior to A1 being tackled at the 5yd line, A2 hits a defenseless B2 player at B's 25 yd line (ie beyond the LOS).....Penalty enforcement? 


….. is the enforcement spot at the 5 YL or 25 yl ? I am trying to find a rule or case situation that would enforce from the 25 yl, the spot of the foul.

[jjb]

I'm not sure why my reply went into a "slide" to read the entire post… here is the entire post

LOS is the 50 yl. A1 runs to the 5 yd and is tackled. Prior to being tackled, A2 hits defenseless B1 at the 25 YL. is the enforcement spot at the 5 yl or 25 yl ? I am trying to find a rule or case book that would make the enforcement spot at the 25 .

[Rich]

It's a straightforward all-but-one.

Basic spot is end of run. Foul by A behind basic spot. Enforce from spot of the foul.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by jjb

Is the basic spot for penalty enforcement ever the spot of the foul… ( other than team A's foul behind the LOS )

It's not "( other than team A's foul behind the LOS )".

It's other than team A's foul BEHIND THE BASIC SPOT.

[Reffing Rev.]

Because I find enjoyment in such things there are a few apparent, and I emphasize apparent, exceptions.

Example 1: An illegal forward pass thrown from beyond the LOS. One might think that it is a loose ball play and the basic spot is previous, however, this is not a loose ball play, it is a running play, basic spot is the end of the run, i.e. the spot of the pass.

Example 2: KCI. The penalty for KCI includes the specifics provision to award a fair catch 15 yards from the spot of the foul in spite of it being a foul during a loose ball play. (However previous/basic spot enforcement is still an option.)

[jTheUmp]

Roughing the Passer is another exception... it's enforce from the end of the last run, even though it almost certainly happens during a loose-ball play.

[CT1]

Originally Posted by jjb

Is the basic spot for penalty enforcement ever the spot of the foul… ( other than team A's foul behind the LOS )

No.

Basic spot is:
(1) End of run
(2) Previous Spot
(3) Succeeding spot

Enforcement spot may be the spot of the foul.