Coach / WH conference

[BoomerSooner]

Originally Posted by ajmc

Agree, but when, " The coach moves from the box to the field bringing his appeal to the WH" he crossed more than 1 line, and has earned a flag.

Doesn't this beg us to debate the issue of what a coach is supposed to do if the wing won't acknowledge a legitimate issue.

Building on Rich's point, one of the best referee's I ever worked as wing for told me that I basically needed to have worked out the situation and process in my head to be able to handle it on the sideline so that if I did come to him with a coach conference request, there wasn't any question about what was going on. He said I needed to know the situation and needed to be able to quickly explain to the coach the consequences of asking for a conference (call a timeout and lose it if wrong or DOG penalty if he was out of timeouts). At the end of the day he said if the coach understands a conference to complain is pointless, then he preferred I err on the side of giving the coach a conference.

ps: I agree with you that the coach shouldn't just have free reign to go across the field to talk with the referee, but really what is a coach supposed to do?

[HLin NC]

The coach moves from the box to the field bringing his appeal to the WH" he crossed more than 1 line, and has earned a flag.

And if he's not "ignored" by the wing, that probably doesn't even have to happen.

One can run this game quoting a lot of rules and being really rigid in their stance, but 9 times out of 10, that stance isn't going to win you a lot of brownie points with the PTB's at a later time. As a wing official, it really isn't your job to determine if his complaint is legitimate. If he wants a conference, he is entitled by rule to request it. You can try to help out your WH and filter out the BS but if coach is dead-set on talking to the R, have at it.

"Coach, would you like a referee conference?" is all that it would have taken. Most wings should be able do that and not take their eyes off the field. If he says "no", then you can move on in to the ignoring phase.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

And if he's not "ignored" by the wing, that probably doesn't even have to happen.

One can run this game quoting a lot of rules and being really rigid in their stance, but 9 times out of 10, that stance isn't going to win you a lot of brownie points with the PTB's at a later time. As a wing official, it really isn't your job to determine if his complaint is legitimate. If he wants a conference, he is entitled by rule to request it. You can try to help out your WH and filter out the BS but if coach is dead-set on talking to the R, have at it.

"Coach, would you like a referee conference?" is all that it would have taken. Most wings should be able do that and not take their eyes off the field. If he says "no", then you can move on in to the ignoring phase.

Is he ignoring him or is he officiating the game? There is a difference. And there is sometimes not a great time to be debating with a coach about a situation. I think we need to be careful assuming that one person's perspective is accurate.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

And if he's not "ignored" by the wing, that probably doesn't even have to happen.



One can run this game quoting a lot of rules and being really rigid in their stance, but 9 times out of 10, that stance isn't going to win you a lot of brownie points with the PTB's at a later time. As a wing official, it really isn't your job to determine if his complaint is legitimate. If he wants a conference, he is entitled by rule to request it. You can try to help out your WH and filter out the BS but if coach is dead-set on talking to the R, have at it.



"Coach, would you like a referee conference?" is all that it would have taken. Most wings should be able do that and not take their eyes off the field. If he says "no", then you can move on in to the ignoring phase.

I've been a white hat for almost 15 years now. Coaches don't have carte blanche to summon me to the sidelines unless they request a coach-referee conference for the purpose of challenging a rule error.

My wings know that.

If I choose to go to the sidelines for whatever reason, that's up to me. I've gone to let coaches vent. I've gone to provide an explanation I thought I was best positioned to give. But those scenarios were my call, not his demand...

[HLin NC]

And I've worked for a few white hats over 20 years who turn me into Henry Kissinger running shuttle diplomacy.

"I wanna talk to the white hat"
"It'll cost you a time out? Sure you wanna do that?"
"Yes, I wanna talk to him right now!"

"He wants to talk to you."
"Tell him it'll cost him a time-out."
"He knows that already. I told him."

"Coach, you know this is going to cost you a time out?"
"Fine, time out."

All this being said within virtual earshot of all three of us