Of Captains and Coin Tosses

[ajmc]

Sometimes Rules can be annoying, but you might want to consider;

NFHS 2-32-5: A captain of a team is a player designated to represent his team during:

a. The pregame and overtime coin toss (limit of 4 captains in game uniform).

b. Penalty decisions following fouls.

c. Ball placement on a try, Kick-off, after a safety, after a Fair Catch or awarded FC, after a touchback and to start an overtime.
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NFHS 3-2-1 through 4; Defines the Coin-Toss procedure, identifying the captains as the designated team spokespersons and allows for the procedure to be conducted either on the field or as "otherwise specified by individual State associations".

[azbigdawg]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

http://ohsaafb.com/files/2015/07/cre...klist_2015.pdf

You guys handle the toss 20 min before game time? Where do you do it, and what is the reason for this?

[Altor]

Originally Posted by azbigdawg

You guys handle the toss 20 min before game time? Where do you do it, and what is the reason for this?

The reason is simple...because the coaches wanted to know whether they are kicking or receiving earlier. If they could convince Columbus to hold the coin toss on Monday, they would.

[HLin NC]

because the coaches wanted to know whether they are kicking or receiving earlier

Strange, virtually 99.9% of the coaches we have ever talked to here all say "Nah, let the kids do it" when offered the option for the early toss.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

Strange, virtually 99.9% of the coaches we have ever talked to here all say "Nah, let the kids do it" when offered the option for the early toss.

The kids do it, on the field, at about 6:35PM - 6:40PM for the 7PM kickoff. No different than if we did it just before kickoff...except for the timing.

[Welpe]

In Texas it was up to the coaches and nearly to a one they wanted the early toss before kickoff. We'd do it off the field between the captains and then do the mock toss before kickoff (have to keep the tradition you know).

Here in my area in CA it is always a live toss just before kickoff.

[Welpe]

I split this off from the original thread. Feel free to continue arguing about captains here.

[SE Minnestoa Re]

I've been a white hat for over 30 years and this is what we do:

1) Walk on to the field 30 minutes before the game, meet the coaches and walk the field
2) Coin flip at mid-field with the captains--coaches appear to want this done early
3) No mock flip--coaches say they have better things to do right before the game and I personally think it is a waste of time

If there is something special going on we are always adaptable.

[WestCoaster]

In Oregon our mechanic is to meet for the coin toss 3 minutes prior to kick-off. As far as I know the entire state does this without exception. I actually wish we would do it earlier. We frequently get delayed by late or long national anthems, late player introductions, or just plain disorganization of the home announcer.

IMO earlier is better.

[BoomerSooner]

I prefer to do it on the field at the prescribed time as it is written, but I've seen it handled prior to teams taking the field. I've even heard of an instance where the coaches met on a Thursday prior to a Friday night game, had their own coin toss and simply agreed to go with their choices no matter what happened in the actual coin toss if the referee didn't agree to go with their predetermined choices. I don't know if the story is true or if so what actually happened in the game, but I could see things going wrong with that arrangement.

That said, to what extent do you think the reason coaches want to be involved and have it done earlier is to prevent captains from making the wrong choice vs. wanting to know earlier to game plan for being on offense or defense first?

I ask because one of the funniest things I've seen in during a coin toss was the two visiting captains came to midfield both carrying 3x5 index cards. One of cards had Win written and underlined across the top of one side, then below that it read 1. Say "Defer" 2. Wait for other team's choice 2. Say "Defend South" or say "receive" if they pick a side. On the back side, it had Lose written and underlined with 1. If home defers, you say "Receive" 2. If home says they'll take the ball, you say "defend south". The other captain had had heads written on one side and tails written on the other and said pick a side on the bottom of each side. I knew this had to be an inside joke with the captains and coaches and possibly a sign that a captain had messed up his choice during a prior game. We all shared a good laugh at that one after the game.

[Rich]

I'm in Wisconsin and we do the same - right after we meet the coaches.

Why not?


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[azbigdawg]

Originally Posted by Rich

I'm in Wisconsin and we do the same - right after we meet the coaches.

Why not?


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Other than "Why not" is there a specific mindset or reason for doing it at that point in time that you know of?

I just see no issue with the traditional time for doing it.

[Rich]

Teams tend to go in here after the toss. Anthem and announcing the teams tend to take us right to our start time and we're always on time with the kickoff.

Could just be one of those "we always did it that way" things.

Ohio's list is amazing. I don't need a BJ, for example, running up EVERY time to tell me we're not extending a quarter. There are a few others that provoke a mild eye roll. Guess I'm just a pretender. Good list to discuss with the crew, though.


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[azbigdawg]

Originally Posted by Rich

Teams tend to go in here after the toss. Anthem and announcing the teams tend to take us right to our start time and we're always on time with the kickoff.

Could just be one of those "we always did it that way" things.

Ohio's list is amazing. I don't need a BJ, for example, running up EVERY time to tell me we're not extending a quarter. There are a few others that provoke a mild eye roll. Guess I'm just a pretender. Good list to discuss with the crew, though.


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Yah..I had the same reaction to a couple of things. But whatever works for them.

[Rich]

What does this have to do with this thread?

We do the toss with the captains, as do most everyone else....but I already know what the coaches want from our pregame meeting.

Oh, and we get penalty decisions from the coaches. Nothing anyone says here will change that, either.