LeBron Travel

[BryanV21]

When are people going to stop whining about travelling not being called in the NBA? As if those non-calls (if you can even call them that) hurt one's enjoyment of the game.

[Raymond]

More relevant question, are you (officials here) calling a travel on that play in your highest level game?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

More relevant question, are you (officials here) calling a travel on that play in your highest level game?

Yes. I always called travels on plays like that in driveway games.

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

More relevant question, are you (officials here) calling a travel on that play in your highest level game?

Yes, I'm calling that in everyone of my games. But my highest level game is not - and will not be - the NBA.

[rbruno]

Forget about that travel or stroll in the park. How about the rake across Lebrons arms right in front of the lead not being called at the end of that game, a close game. Unreal miss of a blantant foul on a guy that gets more touch fouls called against his defenders than anyone in the league.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by rbruno

... Unreal miss of a blantant foul on a guy that gets more touch fouls called against his defenders than anyone in the league.

There's a scientific study that bares this out?

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

There's a scientific study that bares this out?

I'm anxiously awaiting the peer-reviewed findings on this!

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

Yes, I'm calling that in everyone of my games. But my highest level game is not - and will not be - the NBA.

There it is, and this is why it frustrates us so. We little scholastic officials call it; why can't the "big guys?"

Yes, the rules are a bit different, and so is the financial incentive behind the rules. But some kids emulate these NBA players, and if they see something as legal at the "highest" level, they figure it's legal at all levels.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bainsey

There it is, and this is why it frustrates us so. We little scholastic officials call it; why can't the "big guys?"

Yes, the rules are a bit different, and so is the financial incentive behind the rules. But some kids emulate these NBA players, and if they see something as legal at the "highest" level, they figure it's legal at all levels.

And you little scholastic guys also call a lot of things that are not violations. But that frustrates me too. Like the constant travel I see for a bobble of the ball. I have seen that called about 3 or 4 times already this summer. I can guarantee I will see that called several more times over the course of a summer, let alone over the course of the year.

Oh, and the NBA has different rules, just like the NFL has different rules than the lower levels. It happens, get over it.

Peace

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And you little scholastic guys also call a lot of things that are not violations. ... Like the constant travel I see for a bobble of the ball.

Yeah, that frustrates me, too.

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And you little scholastic guys also call a lot of things that are not violations. But that frustrates me too. Like the constant travel I see for a bobble of the ball. I have seen that called about 3 or 4 times already this summer. I can guarantee I will see that called several more times over the course of a summer, let alone over the course of the year.

Oh, and the NBA has different rules, just like the NFL has different rules than the lower levels. It happens, get over it.

Peace

I simply answered the question posed. I'm interested to hear if anyone would pass on this in a college or high school game. I think AremRed implied he would pass....

I also said that I don't work the NBA... I don't know the NBA travel rule and have no need to know it.

Note, too, that I have never been one to comment on the microscopic travels frequently posted here. I don't go looking for travels and probably call fewer than most all posters here. I can guarantee I miss more travels than calling travels that aren't there. But I'm also fairly certain I would call this one.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

I simply answered the question posed. I'm interested to hear if anyone would pass on this in a college or high school game. I think AremRed implied he would pass....

I also said that I don't work the NBA... I don't know the NBA travel rule and have no need to know it.

Note, too, that I have never been one to comment on the microscopic travels frequently posted here. I don't go looking for travels and probably call fewer than most all posters here. I can guarantee I miss more travels than calling travels that aren't there. But I'm also fairly certain I would call this one.

What some of us are saying is look for elephants, not ants. As I mentioned earlier, the play in question is very close under the NBA code. If it's that close err on the side of letting it go. We'd say the same thing if he took one fewer step and this was an NF or NCAA game. If it's that close you'd better be sure when it's a real speed since you only have one chance to get it right.

I know I've missed travels in similar situations in NF and NCAA games but I also know why: If someone is unguarded and 50 feet from the basket I'm assuming they can dribble the ball without tripping over themselves. I'll glance up court to see if there are any match-ups that need watching. The few times I've missed a "mini-travel" for that reason I've admitted as much to the affected coach. They may not have been thrilled but they also know I was still engaged in the game.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Yes, the rules are a bit different,

No they are not.

They (especially travelling) are a LOT different. The definition of the gather is extremely different, and on this particular play, happens WAY later than you probably think it does.

This one MIGHT actually be a travel, but it took me freeze-framing it several times to even get to "Might" - at real speed, the instant the ref decided the gather started only has to be about 4-5 frames later than I thought it was (in slo mo) for this to not be a travel at all under NBA rules. And if it's THAT close, the ref should let it go.

[potato]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

No they are not.

They (especially travelling) are a LOT different. The definition of the gather is extremely different, and on this particular play, happens WAY later than you probably think it does.

This one MIGHT actually be a travel, but it took me freeze-framing it several times to even get to "Might" - at real speed, the instant the ref decided the gather started only has to be about 4-5 frames later than I thought it was (in slo mo) for this to not be a travel at all under NBA rules. And if it's THAT close, the ref should let it go.

There was a comparison essay written here by some guy who compares FIBA/NBA/WNBA & maybe NHSF, they look pretty similar except for WNBA, i don't know what definition is different between NBA & the rest, but i believe "Dribble ended when the ball comes to a rest on a player" is about the same?

[APG]

Originally Posted by potato

There was a comparison essay written here by some guy who compares FIBA/NBA/WNBA & maybe NHSF, they look pretty similar except for WNBA, i don't know what definition is different between NBA & the rest, but i believe "Dribble ended when the ball comes to a rest on a player" is about the same?

The NBA and the WNBA rule is the same.

There are situations where what is illegal under NFHS/NCAA rules is completely legal under the pro rul set. There are also situations that are completely legal under NFHS/NCAA rules that would be illegal under pro rule sets.