5 seconds in the post

[Amesman]

Disagreement at recent clinic: Who monitors -- and how -- post player NOT in the paint holding the ball, with regard to 5 seconds. Some shrugged and said "never seen it" (me either) but what happens when huge, young Shaqlette decides to hold ball in one hand and wave it around for about 7 seconds while either toying with an opponent or just figuring out who to pass to?

Common lines: "Lead never has a visible count," "Trail has to look in and help," "Can't call 5 seconds without a demonstrated count"

Resulted in a whole lot of bupkus and no definitive answer about who calls it and how it's counted out.

[Rich]

Lead counts if in his primary.

[Amesman]

Full arm swing, or free-throw fingers down at side only?

[Rich]

A normal count.

[deecee]

A 5 second count is a 5 second count. The arm swing is irrelevant. Why would the lead not have this count? Does the closely guarded rule not apply to post play?

[Nevadaref]

Two or three official mechanics?

[Amesman]

Clinician was emphasizing there's no visible count for 3 seconds so was asked about a possible 5-second count by the lead and seemed to get flustered, saying he'd never seen it. We were talking 3-person at the time.

[JRutledge]

If it is 3 person and the mechanics I am aware of, the lead does not give a closely guarded count. Two person, the lead has a count and you also have one less official.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If it is 3 person and the mechanics I am aware of, the lead does not give a closely guarded count. Two person, the lead has a count and you also have one less official.

That's what I've been taught:
3-person = Trail takes any 5-second count on the strong side.
2-person = each official has responsibility for 5-second counts starting in his PCA.

NFHS manual for HS says...
Someone can probably consult the CCA manual and post the relevant passage.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That's what I've been taught:
3-person = Trail takes any 5-second count on the strong side.
2-person = each official has responsibility for 5-second counts starting in his PCA.

NFHS manual for HS says...
Someone can probably consult the CCA manual and post the relevant passage.

In Men's, you do not ever give a count as a lead either. The focus on the lead is is post play which you might get to late and one of the reasons you do not have a count IMO.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That's what I've been taught:
3-person = Trail takes any 5-second count on the strong side.
2-person = each official has responsibility for 5-second counts starting in his PCA.

Agree.

[Rob1968]

NFHS Officials Manual 3.3.2 PRIMARY COVERAGE AREAS (PCA):
B. 1. Officials are responsible for a five-second count iwithin their primary coverage area.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

NFHS Officials Manual 3.3.2 PRIMARY COVERAGE AREAS (PCA):
B. 1. Officials are responsible for a five-second count iwithin their primary coverage area.

2 or 3 reference?

Peace

[Raymond]

When we are talking about PCA responsibilities, it is imperative that we know whether the situation is 2-man or 3-man.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

2 or 3 reference?

Peace

3-person crew reference, with diagram 3-18.

2-person crew statement is the same, at 2.3.2 B. 1. with diagram 2-18, in the NFHS Officials Manual.

The logic of Trail being responsible for the 5-second count on post players on the strong side is reasonable.
But in our area it is rarely called, and rarely neccessary. I can't remember when it's been pre-gamed.
And it seems that many, especially coaches, have the idea that a 5-second count doesn't apply to post players. I've been asked by partners why I had a count, as Lead, in both 2-man and 3-man, because they didn't think it applied to post players.
And I had a coach, a couple of years ago, tell me "You can't make that call on a post player!"