Where is the spot?

[Coach Bill]

NFHS rules. Side OB. The inbounder throws it high and wildly across the court to no one. It bounces once inbounds and before it lands out-of-bounds, his teammate steps on the sideline and taps it in an effort to to save it. The whistle is sounded for out-of-bounds. The other team's ball at what spot? The officials ruled back at the original spot because the player touched the line before touching the ball. Is this correct? Thanks.

[JetMetFan]

The throw-in spot should have been where A2 touched the ball since that was the closest spot to where the violation - ball contacting a player OOB - took place.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

The throw-in spot should have been where A2 touched the ball since that was the closest spot to where the violation - ball contacting a player OOB - took place.

100% correct, but I've observed very competent, very veteran, officials handling this like a throwin that goes untouched out of bounds, and thus, incorrectly put the ball back in play at the original throwin spot. There may have been a rule, or interpretation, from thirty-five years ago, that drives this myth.

Hey Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.: Is this worth a trip up to your attic library?

[luvhoops]

Where would it be when a violation takes place while the ball is in the air?

Ex. Ball in backcourt (BC) of Team A, officials count (NFHS) is at 9, A1 with ball deep in BC, throws a 70-foot pass from BC towards frontcourt (FC). Official's count reaches 10 while ball is in air 50 feet from where A1 threw it. Where would spot of inbound be?

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by luvhoops

Where would it be when a violation takes place while the ball is in the air?

Ex. Ball in backcourt (BC) of Team A, officials count (NFHS) is at 9, A1 with ball deep in BC, throws a 70-foot pass from BC towards frontcourt (FC). Official's count reaches 10 while ball is in air 50 feet from where A1 threw it. Where would spot of inbound be?

How many times does this violation go uncalled?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by luvhoops

Where would it be when a violation takes place while the ball is in the air?

Ex. Ball in backcourt (BC) of Team A, officials count (NFHS) is at 9, A1 with ball deep in BC, throws a 70-foot pass from BC towards frontcourt (FC). Official's count reaches 10 while ball is in air 50 feet from where A1 threw it. Where would spot of inbound be?

What does the definition of Ball Location tell you?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

The throw-in spot should have been where A2 touched the ball since that was the closest spot to where the violation - ball contacting a player OOB - took place.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

100% correct, but I've observed very competent, very veteran, officials handling this like a throwin that goes untouched out of bounds, and thus, incorrectly put the ball back in play at the original throwin spot. There may have been a rule, or interpretation, from thirty-five years ago, that drives this myth.

Hey Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.: Is this worth a trip up to your attic library?

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

What does the definition of Ball Location tell you?

Billy and Bob (sounds like a redneck morning drive time radio team, ):

I am not going to climb up into the attic but, I remember what Bob says is true about a Casebook Play during everybody's favorite, , NFHS Basketball Rules Editor, Mary Struckhoff, time on the job.

But I also want to say that the Casebook Play was the result of (a) a minor rule change that was very quickly repealed, or (b) the Casebook Play, itself, was repealed. Either way, it did not last very long thank goodness, because JetMan's correct response is how it has been done and it had been done in NBCUSC, NFHS, NCAA Men's/Women's, NAGWS, and FIBA, for as long as I have been officiating and playing as well.

MTD, Sr.

[luvhoops]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

What does the definition of Ball Location tell you?

It tells me "A ball which is in flight retains the same location as when it was last in contact with a player or the court."

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

100% correct, but I've observed very competent, very veteran, officials handling this like a throwin that goes untouched out of bounds, and thus, incorrectly put the ball back in play at the original throwin spot. There may have been a rule, or interpretation, from thirty-five years ago, that drives this myth.

Hey Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.: Is this worth a trip up to your attic library?

It was a case play not nearly that long ago.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

100% correct, but I've observed very competent, very veteran, officials handling this like a throwin that goes untouched out of bounds, and thus, incorrectly put the ball back in play at the original throwin spot. There may have been a rule, or interpretation, from thirty-five years ago, that drives this myth.

Hey Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.: Is this worth a trip up to your attic library?

Wasn't nearly that long ago. It had been an unannounced change that was reversed, again without announcement, that had put this violation under throw in violations rather than OOB violations.

It was just a few years ago, I remember the discussion here on the board, and I think it was fixed the very next year after we discovered it.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

NFHS rules. Side OB. The inbounder throws it high and wildly across the court to no one. It bounces once inbounds and before it lands out-of-bounds, his teammate steps on the sideline and taps it in an effort to to save it. The whistle is sounded for out-of-bounds. The other team's ball at what spot? The officials ruled back at the original spot because the player touched the line before touching the ball. Is this correct? Thanks.

By the way, the rule cites are NF 9-3-2 and 9-3-2 Penalty.

[luvhoops]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

By the way, the rule cites are NF 9-3-2 and 9-3-2 Penalty.

Also from 2012-2013 NFHS rule book:

Rule 4-42 art. 5: The Throw-in ends when:
a. The passed ball touches or is touched by another player inbounds.
b. The passed ball touches or is touched by another player out of bounds, except as in 7-5-7.

[Rob1968]

A few of us remember, way back, when the understanding of such a call was that the violation took place by the thrower - having not thrown the ball "directly into the court."
Now, the violation is understood, as JetMet noted, that the violation occurs when the player attempting to receive the pass, does so while out-of-bounds. Consequently, as noted in the PENALTY for 9-3, the throw-in is qat the spot nearest to where the player touched the passed ball illegally.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

A few of us remember, way back, when the understanding of such a call was that the violation took place by the thrower - having not thrown the ball "directly into the court."
Now, the violation is understood, as JetMet noted, that the violation occurs when the player attempting to receive the pass, does so while out-of-bounds. Consequently, as noted in the PENALTY for 9-3, the throw-in is qat the spot nearest to where the player touched the passed ball illegally.

Rob:

If you read my post, you will see that Jet Man's interpretation has been, with the exception for a few years during the Mary Struckhoff years, the interpretation going back well over fifty years.

MTD, Sr.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Rob:

If you read my post, you will see that Jet Man's interpretation has been, with the exception for a few years during the Mary Struckhoff years, the interpretation going back well over fifty years.

MTD, Sr.

Thanks, somehow, my old computer didn't show me posts 3 thru 8, (yours), when I replied to the OP. (I was thinking of you when I referred to the few of us that remember the old interp.)
In the NFHS Basketball Handbook, there is a somewhat cryptic reference to a change in 1955 . . . "ball awarded out of bounds nearest to where violation occurs;" and another in 1965 . . . "designated spot for certain throw-ins."